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BConk - Posted - 11/03/2009: 08:01:47
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Originally posted by beeliner
I'll betcha we'll see a lock down.
beeliner. Revis Martin. When a man's ways please the Lord, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him. Proverbs 16:7 [KJV]
If we do see a lockdown it will be entirely because of people dragging religion into a discussion that mentioned evolution. Evolution is a science. Science as a topic is not prohibited here. Creationism is a religious ideology - there's a HUGE difference between it and Evolution and, in my opinion, to argue otherwise is to argue from a fundamentally flawed perception of what science is.  "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Capio pisces, ergo sum
dawgdoc - Posted - 11/03/2009: 08:12:43
Penguin guy,
Dawgdoc's philosophy of science: We aim to become less wrong. Nothing is proven, only disproved (unless you're a mathematician). Theories are waiting to be disproved and, if not, become less wrong. You made a nice post and I believe neither of us have made any references that will cause Ronnie to club us like baby seals.
MarkRough - Posted - 11/03/2009: 08:15:01
Doc,
That might have been me, and for that I apologize. I had forgotten some valuable advice from my father.
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Some days you're the dog. . . other days you're the hydrant.
Edited by - MarkRough on 11/03/2009 08:15:42
10gauge - Posted - 11/03/2009: 08:46:25
quote:
Originally posted by MarkRough
Often people toss the word "theory" around, in this context, without knowing what they're talking about. In science, theory is a bit different than what it means to most lay people. Theories in science are pretty certain barring evidence that can be backed up by a credible scientist or credible evidence. It is not a guess, it is not a wish, it is not. . . that other thing. A theory is as certain as we can be. It is backed up by hard evidence and good research. There are no credible scientists disputing evolution. Nor is there any credible evidence suggesting anything different has happened over millions of years. There is, in fact, literally tons of evidence supporting evolution. Yes, I know there are a small number of scientists suggesting other ideas. But frankly, they are not credible. What they are espousing has little or nothing to do with their choice of career and more to do with belief systems. They are not presenting at credible scientific gatherings or being published in credible scientific journals. Bare in mind, I'm talking about science here. If you want to talk about that other thing, we don't talk about that here. Let's stick to science , so. . .
Back to the original post, I think BConk has the best idea so far. Technology does not necessarily help or hinder us. It can do both. . . and neither. But if and when it fails, our survival will depend on our ability to get along without it.
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Some days you're the dog. . . other days you're the hydrant.
I think that the size of the universe can be finite and yet seem infinite to our human brains. I have several times in my life woken up with my brain trying to divide by 0 and I don't think that it's an idea that can be contemplated in any real sense. It's one of those ideas that sort of defies knowledge and can only be taken at face value. The universe can be inifinite in the sense that we can understand infinity, which is actually just really really really (really) big. Jonathan O'bug
Brian T - Posted - 11/03/2009: 09:05:31
SAM 2: You won't know until the catastrophe happens. Species normally do not exhibit their "survival talents" until absolutely necessary. Just costs far too much energy. That, in itself. is a survival strategy. Based on my 31 years of university biology teaching experience, this is a really difficult concept to demonstrate even in the best of all laboratory settings.
But when the chips are down, some survive, those that had the genetic "aces" to make do under great stress. And then, it is only those survivors who reproduce more of that successful kind. The H1N1 virus, for example, will take down those who are genetically vulnerable. It won't play favourites. Either you can endure this or you can't. No genetic way to prepare (what could you have done in 1990 to get ready for what you don't know is going to happen?)
We do not know where we are going.
Nor do most of us care.
For us, it is enough that we are on our way.
Le Matelot
pick1936 - Posted - 11/03/2009: 09:16:47
Bconk,, Evolution Is Not A Science.. If different animals were Evolving, We would see some evidence of it In The last 2 to 4 thousand years, What We are doing now is Regressing, giving control of every aspect of our lives, for NO Feason at all, and to answer the original question, We are on our way out, and I mean The REAL OUT.
(Cowboy In Town, Trouble Expected)
Nechville. In Higginsville.
Lee Kelso
dawgdoc - Posted - 11/03/2009: 09:22:43
Size and time are very difficult concepts to wrap your head around. Consider the idea that the current estimate for synapses in the human brain is somewhere around 24 quadrillion. You are also limited in dealing with a number that big because you're constrained by using the same thing (e.g. brain) to try to understand it.
That whole light year thing really messes with my brain too. Time is an odd concept, and lots of the difficulties in dealing with change over time involves a LOT of time and we prefer to function on very, very short periods of time.
FatManMary - Posted - 11/03/2009: 09:32:19
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Originally posted by Jaminbanjo
quote:
Originally posted by Alpha Omicron
Creationism, where I'll take it to mean the theory that all species were created relatively recently, simultaneously, and are more or less the same now as they were then, is similarly simple and elegant. However, it has little to no predictive power at all; indeed much of our observation of the world flies in the face of this idea. Furthermore, it leads to a lot more questions than it answers: What is the nature of the creating force? Why were things created this way rather than some other way?
Why? Read the first page of the Bible.
I don't think that Creationism is any less credible than Evolution. Evolution is what leaves us with unexplained questions. If we came from a big bang, which, correct me if I'm wrong, came from some type of rock in space. Now the questions, how was that rock made? If it was a chunk of rock from a bigger rock somewhere else in the universe, where did that bigger rock come from? Where did the universe itself and everything in it come from? Evolution can't answer that. It seems to me that these questions lead to why creationism is correct. Creationism answers all these.
Austin
How are you so dismissive of Evolution and the Big Bang Theory if you clearly know nothing about them. There seems to be a trend amongst people who believe in big bang vs creationism in my experience dealing with both schools of thought. People who believe in Big Bang are familiar with creationism they understand it while creationist have usually no clue about Big Bang and dismiss science despite there being actual proof behind the theories. The Bible is one big contradiction. It raises far more questions than science. One day man kind will move past the whole mythology ancient superstition thing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Grand Ole Opry Ain't So Grand Anymore http://www.reinstatehank.org/
Alpha Omicron - Posted - 11/03/2009: 09:55:39
Jaminbanjo: Your understanding of what "Big Bang" refers to is extremely flawed. Here's the idea: you know how something sounds deeper if the source of the sound is moving away from you and higher if it's moving toward you? This is called the Doppler effect. Now, Edwin Hubble (the guy after whom the space telescope is named) discovered that something similar is happening with the light we see from distant galaxies. He saw that the light is getting shifted toward the red end of the colour spectrum (this is called the "Hubble Red-Shift") which implies that the other galaxies we see are moving away from us. In fact, it appears that all the galaxies are, on the average, moving away from each other rather quickly, like points on the surface of a rubber balloon that is being inflated. From this we infer that as we go back in time, the universe was smaller and more densely packed. Eventually, you get to an instant in time when all the mass in the universe was crammed into a tiny point of space. The name "Big Bang" refers to the expansion of space outward from that initial point. That's it. Now, regarding your claim that the Bible can answer the question of a creator's purpose in creation, you're correct. Unfortunately, the explanation given in the Bible must be taken on faith; there's no way to test it. If you can't test it, it's not science. Taking recourse to the Bible makes creationism a weaker theory rather than a stronger one.
pick1936: We do see evidence of change in species. Again I recommend looking into the E. coli Long-Term Evolution Experiment for an excellent example. The rest of your post isn't really very coherent; I'm not sure how your statement that "we are giving [up] control of every aspect of our lives" is relevant at all.
10gauge: Your idea that human understanding of the universe is limited is an interesting one which philosophers have been discussing for a long time. However, I'd like to note that there's absolutely nothing mysterious at all about division by zero. Division and zero (and even infinity) are precisely defined mathematical concepts. While it is true that a quantity divided by zero does not define a particular value, there's nothing mystical going on.
Trewq36 - Posted - 11/03/2009: 09:57:18
Nice point FatManMary, I too have found that most people who say,
"I Don't Believe in _______."
Usually have no idea what they are talking about and only repeating what someone else has told them.
Never play the same thing once......yoR
BvilleDon - Posted - 11/03/2009: 10:32:36
To put this on a real simple level, look at the single cell paramecium. I don't know whether that is the singular or plural, not gonna waste time looking it up, blame my stroke if you must. Way back in the 60s in jr high they taught us the paramecium could reproduce just by splitting in two. However, after 19 or so generations, they would grow very lifeless and down in the mouth. At that point, they would "conjugate"==two of them coming together and swapping 50% of the DNA with one another. Then they would be full of vitality and go on their merry way. I think such a thing cxan go all the way up the tree or ther family opr however you look at it.
If this is so, diversity is our friend and inone sense some folks may decide to look at it as the Creator's way of giving us an avenue to keep existing as a species. The other folks can say it is part of the natural order of things. Either way, God bless the diffrences. It may be we are our own worst enemies in seeking to purify thinigs. Did not work too well for Hitler! Perhaps we need the diversity to keep us from becoming a lifeless species. So, if that is the case, God (or whatever word you choose to use) bless the differences in race, philosophy, religion, etc. Perhaps we are looking at the gifts givcen us and thinking we could do a better job of it, insatead of just accepting the reality of the situation. Not correcting typos, as I hope to get this in before thread is locked.l Bless andd honor the differences and practice live and let live and toleration and we can survive.
Don
Edited by - BvilleDon on 11/03/2009 10:41:13
BvilleDon - Posted - 11/03/2009: 10:38:51
Sorry for so many typos above, i have already explained why.
Alpha, if you think there is nothing we can think of as mystical in the universe, you are sorely under read in physics. Even Einstein had problems with it and said that the longer he studied the universe, the less it seemed a great machine and the more it seemed like a great thought. It has only become more compelling since his time.
Don
Edited by - BvilleDon on 11/03/2009 10:41:55
FatManMary - Posted - 11/03/2009: 10:42:54
quote:
Originally posted by pick1936
Bconk,, Evolution Is Not A Science.. If different animals were Evolving, We would see some evidence of it In The last 2 to 4 thousand years, What We are doing now is Regressing, giving control of every aspect of our lives, for NO Feason at all, and to answer the original question, We are on our way out, and I mean The REAL OUT.
(Cowboy In Town, Trouble Expected)
Nechville. In Higginsville.
Lee Kelso
Things have evolved one very common thing that jumps into my mind is wisdom teeth. We as humans needed bigger jaws to chew what was in our diets once upon a time. Now we don't need them therefore a jaws have become smaller. Do to our smaller jaws they cause problems that's why we need them removed and that's why some people don't even get them. Evolution is around us you just have to look. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Grand Ole Opry Ain't So Grand Anymore http://www.reinstatehank.org/
BvilleDon - Posted - 11/03/2009: 10:45:23
taking out triple post.
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BvilleDon - Posted - 11/03/2009: 10:47:55
taking out triple post
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Don
Edited by - BvilleDon on 11/03/2009 10:50:56
BvilleDon - Posted - 11/03/2009: 10:48:56
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Originally posted by BvilleDon
I even was able to do some editing to make it more readable. As almost EVERY banjo picker knows, Pete Seeger quoted Shaw in his little book:
"There are lies, damned lies and statistics."
I do believe this point is so complex, that all sorts of references and talking over peoples head is like a preacher saying you should listen to them because of the initials of theirr degree after their name. Both religion and science have their fair share of Scribes, and they were not highly thought of by some pretty amazing folk!
Don
Don this was really editing for typos, not a quote.
Edited by - BvilleDon on 11/03/2009 10:55:57
kyblugrass - Posted - 11/03/2009: 10:55:44
This guy amazes me. Everytime I read a discussion about such things, this fella comes to mind. A short story and then what I consider his best quote.
A student was walking down the street, and looked up to see Prof Hawking in his chair coming towards him at full speed in the opposite direction.
He veered left, only to see Prof Hawking veer the same way.
So he veered right - Prof Hawking did the same, all the time getting closer.
This continued until he was almost about to get run over by Prof Hawking's wheelchair, and then just at the last second, Hawking went straight on as he dodged out of the way - still at full speed.
As he passed, and breathed a huge sigh of relief, he heard Hawkings electronic voice say:
"Chi-cken"
“The whole history of science has been the gradual realization that events do not happen in an arbitrary manner, but that they reflect a certain underlying order, which may or may not be divinely inspired.”
~~Stephen Hawking
Scott
“You Can Hang a Sign on a Pig Saying It's a Horse...But It’s Still Just a Pig.”
dawgdoc - Posted - 11/03/2009: 10:55:50
The Pope has gone on record saying 'hey, what's big deal'. It's a question of 'why' versus a question of 'how'. Two very, very different ideas. One of my dear friends is a Bishop and teaches a graduate level course on molecular evolution. One of my graduate students is about to publish a paper on genome transfer and evolution in a very short period of time. He also just got offered a job in a private university run and owned by a church. Folks, it's not that big of a deal.
Jaminbanjo - Posted - 11/03/2009: 10:56:53
quote:
Originally posted by Alpha Omicron
Jaminbanjo: Your understanding of what "Big Bang" refers to is extremely flawed. Here's the idea: you know how something sounds deeper if the source of the sound is moving away from you and higher if it's moving toward you? This is called the Doppler effect. Now, Edwin Hubble (the guy after whom the space telescope is named) discovered that something similar is happening with the light we see from distant galaxies. He saw that the light is getting shifted toward the red end of the colour spectrum (this is called the "Hubble Red-Shift") which implies that the other galaxies we see are moving away from us. In fact, it appears that all the galaxies are, on the average, moving away from each other rather quickly, like points on the surface of a rubber balloon that is being inflated. From this we infer that as we go back in time, the universe was smaller and more densely packed. Eventually, you get to an instant in time when all the mass in the universe was crammed into a tiny point of space. The name "Big Bang" refers to the expansion of space outward from that initial point. That's it. Now, regarding your claim that the Bible can answer the question of a creator's purpose in creation, you're correct. Unfortunately, the explanation given in the Bible must be taken on faith; there's no way to test it. If you can't test it, it's not science. Taking recourse to the Bible makes creationism a weaker theory rather than a stronger one.
pick1936: We do see evidence of change in species. Again I recommend looking into the E. coli Long-Term Evolution Experiment for an excellent example. The rest of your post isn't really very coherent; I'm not sure how your statement that "we are giving [up] control of every aspect of our lives" is relevant at all.
10gauge: Your idea that human understanding of the universe is limited is an interesting one which philosophers have been discussing for a long time. However, I'd like to note that there's absolutely nothing mysterious at all about division by zero. Division and zero (and even infinity) are precisely defined mathematical concepts. While it is true that a quantity divided by zero does not define a particular value, there's nothing mystical going on.
So where did the matter in the Big Bang come from? Nobody knows. So you just have to believe it, trust it. If you can believe that, why is the Bible not credible? You have to believe the story in there, just like you have to believe Evolution. I don't see know believability comes into this... Austin
Jaminbanjo - Posted - 11/03/2009: 10:58:05
I still haven't seen anybody present any proof that Evolution is true...hmm...
Austin
BvilleDon - Posted - 11/03/2009: 11:03:26
quote:
Originally posted by Jaminbanjo
I still haven't seen anybody present any proof that Evolution is true...hmm...
Austin
The same can be said for ANY particular religious view! Don
Alpha Omicron - Posted - 11/03/2009: 11:05:29
Jaminbanjo: As was mentioned earlier, it isn't really possible to conclusively "prove" any scientific theory. All we can do is disprove. That said, a scientific theory's truth is usually judged by its predictive power and elegance. It seems like you haven't read much of the thread at all.
kyblugrass - Posted - 11/03/2009: 11:06:17
I once had a friend that was color blind. He had trouble with blues and greens. We were talking one day about the color of grass and I told him the grass we were looking at was a dark green. It had been well fertilized and watered. We went more than an hour with me trying to convince him it was a dark green instead of what he perceived as what he had become to recognize as light green. He finally told me, that until he saw it as I see it, he would never believe that it was dark green.
Scott
“You Can Hang a Sign on a Pig Saying It's a Horse...But It’s Still Just a Pig.”
stevel - Posted - 11/03/2009: 11:06:33
"I still haven't seen anybody present any proof that Evolution is true...hmm..."
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please troll for this somewhere else.
Edited by - stevel on 11/03/2009 11:08:28
Kenneth Logsdon - Posted - 11/03/2009: 11:07:43
Yep.. Kids are supposed to get their first immunity from their mothers milk and be raised rolling in the dirt with the dogs, etc.. As said previously, not in sterile conditions.. In the old days, the word alergy was very rare..
KL
BvilleDon - Posted - 11/03/2009: 11:15:02
And maybe we are not supposed to know the answer to everything. Perhaps the point is how we live our lives while not knowing. Perhaps we need the science and the religion and the apparent oppositional points between the two view only reflect other such mysteries around us.
Don
Alpha Omicron - Posted - 11/03/2009: 11:18:59
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So where did the matter in the Big Bang come from? Nobody knows. So you just have to believe it, trust it.
Trust what? I accept that the question of where that matter came from isn't answerable. In fact, I'm not sure the question even makes sense. That's very different from coming up with explanations that aren't testable and have to be taken on faith.
BvilleDon - Posted - 11/03/2009: 11:44:49
I knew a fellow thought he could learn to play banjo out of a book. The subject of chords came up and before you knew it, he was making charts for everyone. Not as good as the chaerts already available on the Hangout, but he obviously learned something through making them. Then the subject of complex chords came up and folks would supply their way of making 11ths or whatever. By this time, he was so smart he would say something like "but that is not a COMPLETE chord." Heck, of course it was not a complete chord. Take a banjo with chords in the first position. Mostly that leaves out the 5th string altogether. Then you have, in standard bluegrass tuning, the same note an octave apart on the first and fourth string. Slowly, by reading what others had discovered years before he made his charts and before he was even born, it dawned on him that partial chords were essential to many styles of banjo pickin and that it mattered what note you left out as to whether the chord sounded right or not. BUT he had to put his research on the shelf and listen and he finally quit sounding so sophmoric in trying to come across as an expert.
I think we are talking of things where all of us can sound sophmoric, because our charts, whether religious or scientific, are always going to be so incomplete as to limit us to the sophmoric section of how things really work. I am assuming I exist. A French guy even came up with an hypothesis for substantiating his existence, but could he proove it beyond a shadow of a doubt? I think not. Every decision I make in life requires some kind of faith in something. Two swamis and their master were discussing reality while riding on a wagon. They went over a bump and the master made an exclamation as they went over the bump. His two disciples asked him why he was making such a sound. He asked them whether they noticed the bump, and neither of them had. He responded something like "You're talking about reality and you didn't even NOTICE the bump?"
Churches, universities and other institutions of learning and education can turn out some sage people or wise idiots. It is kind of like the cartoon of the bad boss and the caption under it that says something like "If you don't see why this is a bad boss, you probably are one."
I have had a stroke and had to relearn English after the age of fifty. Large vocabularies don't impress me much. Pointing to answers from questionable sources don't impress me much. Awareness that the bump is there-that impresses me. I think we are going over a BIG bump right now!
Don
Edited by - BvilleDon on 11/03/2009 11:47:45
pick1936 - Posted - 11/03/2009: 12:01:21
There is No Real evidence to prove evolution, as for the rest of what I stated above, was We are REGRESSING,, WE are losing civil rights left, and Right, I was Born in 1936, I lived thru World War 2. and The last part of the Great Depression, I have seen our country loose,, Give away many of our rights.. and We are going to loose much more, I can't say anymore with out getting in trouble. I know what it is to work hard just to just get by, I left school in the first part of the 9th grade, to help My family, I went to work in The Coal mine, for 3 years, Then worked In two different Shoe factory's, Try to find a Shoe factory in America now? Then went to work hauling frieght from the train every day, and deliver to all the merchants in town,, after that I went into Construction, Worked a year and a 1/2 puting in the new sewer system, Worked building 8 new Bins for the Mill, Then worked at My uncles Rock Quarry,, then helped build the new Telephone Co. building,, In other words I worked My Tail off, Then served in The Army, when I got out, I went to work for General Motors, Leads plant K.C. MO., worked hard there for 20 years, A piece of steel feel on My head, I had to go out, after sergury, They wouldn't let Me go back on light duty, untill I could work full time, So I was out, drawing a small amount of money a month, Then 6 Years ago Our Unions caved in, Cut Our Health care 25%,,, Now after General Motors has went Bankrupt, Our Generious Unions Have Cut out all Dentall Care, Eye Glasses, and Many of our medicenes They stoped paying on, In the future I can see Us Loosing everything,, We Are Regressing. The real trouble ahead is is so bad I won't say anything about it, I'll Just Praise The Lord Jesus I'm still alive, and have a nice banjo, and can still havr fun pickin, When I'm feelin low, I just pick the banjo, and everting is alright..
Rings Like Silver
But it's Wood
Nechville. In Higginsville.
Lee Kelso
dawgdoc - Posted - 11/03/2009: 12:07:40
quote:
Originally posted by pick1936
There is No Real evidence to prove evolution
Lee Kelso
Of course you can't prove it. You can't prove to me that there isn't a giant killer leech waiting to attack me in my pond, either. There are, however, tons of transitional fossils and many, many experiments showing genetic mutation, modification and transfer. There is an extraordinary amount of evidence and data not to prove evolution, but to suggest that it is simply the most logical answer. I'm not even remotely suggesting that Something did or did not put it into place. I flat out refuse to make theological arguments for or against. But I am suggesting that the evidence for evolutionary changes in morphology and genetics is pretty darn strong.
BvilleDon - Posted - 11/03/2009: 12:13:06
quote:
Originally posted by dawgdoc
quote:
Originally posted by pick1936
There is No Real evidence to prove evolution
Lee Kelso
Of course you can't prove it. You can't prove to me that there isn't a giant killer leech waiting to attack me in my pond, either. There are, however, tons of transitional fossils and many, many experiments showing genetic mutation, modification and transfer. There is an extraordinary amount of evidence and data not to prove evolution, but to suggest that it is simply the most logical answer. I'm not even remotely suggesting that Something did or did not put it into place. I flat out refuse to make theological arguments for or against. But I am suggesting that the evidence for evolutionary changes in morphology and genetics is pretty darn strong.
Leave it to a dawgdoc to make the most sense, using the least amount of words!THANK YOU, DAWGDOC! Don
BvilleDon - Posted - 11/03/2009: 12:14:32
I was gonna take as long as possible to reach 750 posts, because the stars thing is irritating and somewhat segregating, but this darn thread did me in!
Don
pick1936 - Posted - 11/03/2009: 12:28:43
OK You Guys I'm out ,, The things I really want to say, Would Get ino Religion and Politics, I think You might have a Clue what I'm eluding to, but I can't say it, So Carry On, and have fun.
(Cowboy In Town, Trouble Expected)
Nechville. In Higginsville.
Lee Kelso
Sam 2 - Posted - 11/03/2009: 12:55:16
Time for some additional goat humor
knock knock
whose there
goat
goat who
goat to the door and see
aint that a screamer !!!!!
notice the clever goat disguise…no one will recognize its me coming up with the corny jokes.
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People will forget what you say and do, but they will never forget how you treated them.
Edited by - Sam 2 on 11/03/2009 13:25:42
Jaminbanjo - Posted - 11/03/2009: 12:59:55
quote:
Originally posted by Alpha Omicron
Jaminbanjo: As was mentioned earlier, it isn't really possible to conclusively "prove" any scientific theory. All we can do is disprove. That said, a scientific theory's truth is usually judged by its predictive power and elegance. It seems like you haven't read much of the thread at all.
So once again, it's unprovable. It's a theory, not a law. You don't know where the material came from to create the big bang. I personally find it hard to believe that the world was created by some big bang and that I came from a bacteria, or monkey later down the line. If we came from monkeys, why do we still have monkeys today? If we evolved because we needed some kind of feature to survive, and it took millions of years to finally get that necessary feature, then how did we survive in those millions of years without that feature? Evolution doesn't add up. And fyi, I have read every post on this thread. Austin
Jaminbanjo - Posted - 11/03/2009: 13:02:19
quote:
Originally posted by stevel
"I still haven't seen anybody present any proof that Evolution is true...hmm..."
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please troll for this somewhere else.
Troll? Why is that trolling? Everybody said that there is so much evidence to support evolution, but nobody said any. I'd like to hear it. Austin
dawgdoc - Posted - 11/03/2009: 13:13:38
Nobody has EVER claimed we came from monkeys. That is simply misinformation. How many transitional critters or overwhelming evidence of genetic change through generations do you want for 'evidence'? Please provide evidence for how it doesn't 'add up'. Science has provided you the data. You can decide what to make out of it.
MarkRough - Posted - 11/03/2009: 13:20:18
We didn't evolve from monkeys. Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor.
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Jaminbanjo - Posted - 11/03/2009: 13:25:02
quote:
Originally posted by dawgdoc
Nobody has EVER claimed we came from monkeys. That is simply misinformation. How many transitional critters or overwhelming evidence of genetic change through generations do you want for 'evidence'? Please provide evidence for how it doesn't 'add up'. Science has provided you the data. You can decide what to make out of it.
Science hasn't provided me with any data. Austin
jazzylynne - Posted - 11/03/2009: 13:27:29
I think this topic has gone far enough.
Lynne
Edited by - jazzylynne on 11/03/2009 13:27:52
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