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Kenneth Logsdon - Posted - 11/02/2009: 05:35:35
When you throw in turkey it pretty well means that you will need a 12 gauge shotgun.. Nowadays you have a lot of options in one gun with the screw in chokes.. For a lot of hunters this means a pump 870 remington, for less money the mossberg 500s. These two are pretty much the standard in value and reliablity..
KL
mogultx - Posted - 11/02/2009: 05:43:30
KL is giving you pretty good advice. I have an old Winchester Ranger 12 gauge that I like to use- but I use a 22 rifle for squirrels and rabbits, and other small stuff.
MGM
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BConk - Posted - 11/02/2009: 06:14:21
A pump 12 gauge such as the Remington 870 or Mossberg 550 KL suggested would not only suit your purposes, but it would also allow you to move up to deer hunting and duck hunting as well. For deer you'd probably want to add a slug barrel.
If you were strictly into the smaller game - rabbits, squirrels, smaller birds etc. - I'd personally go with a side by side or even a single as I think they're easier to swing and get your moving target - especially in the woods. The lack of the ability to fire more than one or two shots isn't as big a deal as you might think - as in real life you seldom get a chance to draw a bead on the critter more than once before it's found cover....at least in the woods.
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Capio pisces, ergo sum
Edited by - BConk on 11/02/2009 06:16:04
mike gregory - Posted - 11/02/2009: 06:29:32
quote:
Originally posted by BConk
A pump 12 gauge such as the Remington 870 or Mossberg 550 KL suggested would not only suit your purposes, but it would also allow you to move up to deer hunting and duck hunting as well. For deer you'd probably want to add a slug barrel.
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 I can't imagine trying to bring down a deer by throwing a barrel of slugs at it, but, it's got to be a lot QUITER than one of those shotguns. 
dat - Posted - 11/02/2009: 07:47:50
rem 870 and mossburg 500 are both great guns, both will last till your grandchildren pass them down to their grandkids, I like the Rem 870 better but that's just my prefrence
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thkidd - Posted - 11/02/2009: 08:30:46
The good thing about the 870 and the 500 is that they often come with both a vent-rib barrel and a slug barrel, so you can switch them out for whatever you want to hunt. One big advantage of a pump, semi-auto or an over/under is that you can also use them for skeet or sporting clays. Of course you can use a single-shot too, but you better be really quick at reloading for those doubles.
Darrell
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T.J. - Posted - 11/02/2009: 08:38:50
my vote would be for a Browning BPS. do you shoot right or left handed?if your a lefty the Browning has bottom ejection (no empty hulls flying across your face).
also,whatever you get consider one that will shoot a 3 1/2" shell instead of 3".i still use a 3" for turkey but if you think you will ever do any waterfowl hunting the 3 1/2" will give you a little extra punch.
another one to look at would be the Benelli Nova (it's not much to look at but it is a great gun)
Edited by - T.J. on 11/02/2009 09:24:53
Nosferatu - Posted - 11/02/2009: 09:35:12
More bang for the buck...Moss. 500.
Click here: http://www.mossberg.com/products/de...ion=products
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Edited by - Nosferatu on 11/02/2009 09:39:16
Brian T - Posted - 11/02/2009: 10:01:52
Gotta hoist that barrel of slugs up in a tree and drop it on the deer.
Of my 12 shotguns, my o/u 12 x 3" with Trulock X-Full extended turkey choke tubes is effective. 1 7/8 oz #2.
Savage .22 with Accutrigger and a proper .22 scope.
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10gauge - Posted - 11/02/2009: 10:18:40
There really is no one all around good hunting gun. You can't fix a car with one tool, nor can you hunt everything with one gun. In my analogy a set of mechanics craftsman ratchets and screw drivers translates into these guns: Remington 870 12 gauge Wingmaster (birds), Remington 700 30-06 (big game), Remington Model 5 .22 (small game). In my opinion those guns are the standards for North American hunting [/diving for cover]. You can get stuff that's cheaper, more specific, fancy, powerful, sporty or cool, but those are decisions that only you can make based on your own personal preferences.
I second the Browning BPS.
Jonathan O'bug
Trewq36 - Posted - 11/02/2009: 11:26:38
50 cal fully automatic. It will bring down what ever, including aircraft.
Never play the same thing once......yoR
mogultx - Posted - 11/02/2009: 12:33:42
Trewq36,
You are obviously an IMPOSTER. If you were Canadian, you'd be all lovey dovey and nice. You obviously come from south of the border, with 3 colors in your flag- and no leaves!
Monty
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Trewq36 - Posted - 11/02/2009: 12:39:16
Well I did live in Texas for a while, where it seemed like I was the only person who didn't own a gun. I guess I just felt left out.
Never play the same thing once......yoR
Jackson Lee - Posted - 11/02/2009: 14:24:12
I like the 870
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steve davis - Posted - 11/02/2009: 15:04:03
I like my '51 Browning 16 ga.
This gun fed my family a lot of deer meat.
BConk - Posted - 11/02/2009: 15:07:20
What model is it Steve? Auto 5?
"Defender of the Sacred Cod"
Capio pisces, ergo sum
steve davis - Posted - 11/02/2009: 15:23:27
Yes...not the "Sweet 16",just the Plain Jane.
mogultx - Posted - 11/02/2009: 15:51:40
Trewq 36
Well, Come back to Texas! We can all share down here! We don't have a Maple Leaf, but we have that Star.... And we like the motto: One Riot. One Ranger.... It doesn't put meat on the table, but it sounds really good!
Tn Picker THAT is some HARDWARE!!!!! I wanna play, but I am afraid I can't even afford the ammo!!!!
Back to the topic: Heck, a shotgun is an exceptional firearm. It can bring down almost any game- if the hunter is dedicated enough to get into close range. Shotguns are a great beginning game catcher. Unfortunately, mulit-shot shotguns (and pistols and rifles) tend to teach people to "spray and pray" rather than than learning to carefully Aim and THEN shoot... A 12 gauge shotgun is a great all-around device. I have an affinity for pumps because not all folks are coordinated enough to shoot them well. I also gravitate toward over/unders- but these are usually pretty pricey. Pick one that you think you can work with, and try to "buy it right" , so you can get out of it, if you decide you need something different. Contrary to the opinions of SOME states, used shotguns are usually very safe and very reliable. Buy from a reputable source- and get a little friendly instruction from a shotgun safety instructor- and you should be good to go!!!!
Monty
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kyblugrass - Posted - 11/02/2009: 16:09:14
Mossberg 550... but if you can get your hands on an old Browning.... I would go for it. I have a Belgium Sweet 16 that will reach out and tap them long after the 12s are done.
Scott
“You Can Hang a Sign on a Pig Saying It's a Horse...But It’s Still Just a Pig.”
CW Spook - Posted - 11/02/2009: 16:11:37
A 12 ga, camo-finished, would be my choice for turkey. A .22lr would be a better choice for small game. A Savage Model 24 O/U in .22/20ga might be a one-gun solution. I think they actually made some in .222/12 ga, but they're pretty hard to find.
Rick
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Henry V, Act ll, Scene 2.
dave1701 - Posted - 11/02/2009: 17:31:05
I hunting deer with slugs this year, or you could go with buckshot
Poppy - Posted - 11/02/2009: 18:55:35
I have to agree for a all round shotgun, "Sweet 16" is it!
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ks - Posted - 11/02/2009: 19:49:05
I vote for the Remington 870.Find one a few years old that has the blue barrel.
lazyarcher - Posted - 11/02/2009: 21:36:51
I have a savage Model 24 in 20g/22LR and its a great all round gun--bunnies, squirrels, turkey at close range. A friend has a few of them--one in a 12g/22Hornet, and a 12g/30-30...great turkey and deer guns.
Dave Jack
atracksler - Posted - 11/04/2009: 14:07:32
I just went over to the Trading Post and checked out shotguns, I liked the look and feel of a Remington 30"12ga (model 1900) and a Remington 26" 20ga (model SPR 210). Any opinions and insight on these? They are double barreled, which I think I prefer aestheticaly to a pump...
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Edited by - atracksler on 11/04/2009 14:12:48
dat - Posted - 11/04/2009: 14:58:20
if it feels good to you, get it, a lot of a gun is the way it feels to the shooter.
you're limited to two shots with a double barrel, with a pump you can shoot one and add one or shoot 5 and add 5 without ever have the gun not shootable, a double barrel you have a small amount of down time after two shots when you reload. if time between shots doesn't matter, tyhen a double barrel is great. something else to look at is the weight. how long will you walk and carry the gun or are you getting dropped off somewhere with not much walking
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Edited by - dat on 11/04/2009 15:05:14
BConk - Posted - 11/04/2009: 15:09:52
If you're in thickets after grouse - I'd want the shorter barrel - and a 20 gauge would be ample.
Other than that - is the model 1900 an original? If so - as much as I like antiques I'd rather hunt with a newer gun.
"Defender of the Sacred Cod"
Capio pisces, ergo sum
Edited by - BConk on 11/04/2009 15:11:31
BConk - Posted - 11/04/2009: 15:43:32
I might be mistaken but I think the last Remington Model 1900 was made in 1910 - if you're looking at one, make sure it's up to the task of modern loads. You don't want Damascus steel barrels for example.
"Defender of the Sacred Cod"
Capio pisces, ergo sum
10gauge - Posted - 11/04/2009: 15:53:34
A double barrel for $300 is suspect in my book. If that's your price range you'd do much better with a Remington 870 Express. It will be an ugly duckling next to any double barrel, but will serve you much better. Of course, I can't speak for a gun I haven't seen, but I have seen folks at the range that were having problems with a low end side by side like the ones your talking about. The old guns often don't take steel shot (ducks geese) and most likely won't take Heavy Shot (good for turkey, though not required by any means).
Jonathan O'bug
BConk - Posted - 11/04/2009: 15:55:47
It does sound like a wall hanger - doesn't it
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Brian T - Posted - 11/04/2009: 16:31:36
I read recently that Remington has announced that they have manufactured 10,000,000 Model 870 shotguns. My 870 was old in 1978 when I bought it. Doesn't see much use anymore although it did in it's day. If you want a pump, that's it. I have the Benelli Nova DU 12ga x 3.5", also. OK, but with the synthetic stock and insert recoil pad, it's awkward to alter the stock for aimpoint. As the decades went by, I decided that I like a choice of chokes, single selective trigger, auto ejectors, those sorts of things.
10gauge (above) presented a grocery list of Remingtons that anybody would be proud and satisfied to own and use.
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10gauge - Posted - 11/04/2009: 19:08:17
Double barrel guns are really cool AND really expensive. The Browning Cirtori is a great over-under and runs about $1500 which is in my opinion a good value. I've shot the Citori and like it better than the equivilant Berretta which is more expensive. Some people like the way Berrettas fit better because they tend to come with a higher comb. I prefer the way Brownings tend to fit. A good gun smith can of course help you get a good fit on whatever gun, but most people I think end up shooting their guns the way they come. One thing about double guns is that they are better upland game guns (grouse, dove, quail, pheasant) then they are turkey guns, though they can certainly be used for turkeys. One thing you might consider because your looking at lower priced guns is a single shot. They have some of the mystique and tradition of the double guns, but are cheap as dirt and reliable as the day is long. Just make sure you get a good pad on the stock because as light as single shots are, they will kick like a @@%$. I have the NEF pardner and was pretty unhappy with it when I first got it because of the relatively short stock and the big recoil. I have really come to appreciate it over the years though because of the light weight in the field and rustic feel of the gun. It cost me $87 when I bought it in '99. A single shot will really keep you from sky busting, if only because you can't bang away when you only have one shot. The built in choke on my single shot patterns better than my pump too. It shouldn't take more than one shot to kill a turkey and you can always palm and extra shell in your left hand or between your middle and ring fingers on your right hand for a reasonably fast follow up shot. Anyway, something to think about.
Jonathan O'bug
Kenneth Logsdon - Posted - 11/04/2009: 21:08:47
A double barrell or an over and under is not a good choice as a mutiple use or utility gun.. The disadvantages would out weight the positives in this case...
KL
Brian T - Posted - 11/04/2009: 21:23:26
I gave my partner a Ruger 12ga o/u Red Label. She's become quite a proficient shooter in the past few years.
I'm in no rush anymore so s/s and o/u shotguns suit me just fine. I no longer care for the pumps nor for gas autos like a Beretta or the Benelli SBE. As I said above, there are convenience features which I look for as about all I do is field shooting for upland birds and poke the odd, stupid goose.
It is a fact that a Baikal o/u 12 x 3" with George Trulock's "Truchokes" in X-flull, extended, can and will smack down a turkey.
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BConk - Posted - 11/05/2009: 04:07:09
I agree with 10 Gauge - think about a single shot. I started out with an H&R "Topper" 12 gauge. I was DEADLY with that gun in the woods. If a bird went up in front of me - my Topper brought it back down. It was light - easy to carry and get on the target and it taught me the value of AIMING before shooting.
Such a gun is not anywhere near as pretty as a nice side by side or over and under double - but it can be a very inexpensive and effective gun.
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atracksler - Posted - 11/05/2009: 04:40:48
I saw those, and i was amazed how inexpensive they were...I dont think I could get one for much over a hundred....
I think they had a stoeger 20ga and a Iver 12 and 20 ga
What difference does the length of the barrel make?
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Edited by - atracksler on 11/05/2009 04:49:26
mike gregory - Posted - 11/05/2009: 04:56:46
Since I have nothing worthwhile to add to this calm and rational discussion of the proper tool for the job, here's something which, while possibly not totally inane, is far less ane than the posts from the rest of you:
Edited by - mike gregory on 11/05/2009 04:57:28
Kenneth Logsdon - Posted - 11/05/2009: 05:25:26
Amen Mike the last few years we had rabbits(before the coyotes cleaned them out) much to the dismay of the "guys", I carried a single 410 T. junior, with the cutdown stock that I got for the boys when they were eight... 4 shots 4 rabbits, each time..(and I didn/t have to carry any!! hhe , hee).. ( BUT folks this is not a beginers skill, mike knows what I'm saying)
Yes a good single barrel will kill anything a fancy gun will...
Lots to barrell and choke selection, do the homework before buying, shorter barrell means more spread, less range, Choke selection , five common, but generally , Full , modified, or improved imp.. refers to the amount of constriction in the barrel determining the spread of the shot pattern and range, has a direct bearing on the type and game that you can hunt with each gun... (read my first post again, all the factors were considered)..Also consider the "safety factors" inherent in each type of action.,
KL
Edited by - Kenneth Logsdon on 11/05/2009 07:22:40
steve davis - Posted - 11/05/2009: 06:04:21
quote:
Originally posted by atracksler
I saw those, and i was amazed how inexpensive they were...I dont think I could get one for much over a hundred....
I think they had a stoeger 20ga and a Iver 12 and 20 ga
What difference does the length of the barrel make?
P.S. Have a Nice Day!
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Long barrel for long range. Goose guns have long barrels.
BConk - Posted - 11/05/2009: 06:43:42
Yep - Choose barrel length and choke according to what you intend to hunt and where.
For me - I went for grouse mostly - and they're in dense thickets and woods with lots of undergrowth so distance and tight choke patterns were not a consideration as much as a lighter gun with a shorter barrel (that wouldn't knock into things as easily when swung to stay on a flying target) and a decent spread of shot. Another thing about this type of hunting is that it wasn't all that often that I was able to take advantage of a second shot even if my gun had one available. I hunted with a single, an 870 and later a 20 gauge side by side. Most of my birds were bagged with the single shot.
As a general rule of thumb - as mentioned above - longer barrels and tighter chokes let you reach out further with the tighter shot pattern.
If you were gunning for ducks over the water or pheasant over dogs in a field you'd want a longer barrel with a tighter choke and multi shot capacity so you could up the odds of bagging the prey.
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Capio pisces, ergo sum
10gauge - Posted - 11/05/2009: 07:47:00
quote:
Originally posted by atracksler
I saw those, and i was amazed how inexpensive they were...I dont think I could get one for much over a hundred....
I think they had a stoeger 20ga and a Iver 12 and 20 ga
What difference does the length of the barrel make?
P.S. Have a Nice Day!
http://www.brycecreative.com
http://www.mandojam.com -- free practice tracks from me to you!
http://www.studio467.com
I can't say anything about Stoeger or Iver. I've shot 3 different NEF/H&R guns old and new and they all went bang every time I pulled the trigger. P.S. they sell them at Walmart. Jonathan O'bug
Edited by - 10gauge on 11/05/2009 07:50:17
SilverSalmon - Posted - 11/05/2009: 08:09:43
12 gauge for birds, i Like Benelli, but they're spendy. For small game you want a 22lr, A Ruger 10/22 is the way to go, Best bang for the bucks. For a real hunting Gun, I'd go with A Remington 700 in 30.06 , it'll take any mid to large game in North America, including Moose and Elk.
If you want really cheap for small game like Rabbits and squirrel, get a Pellet Gun, something German, like Beeman. i use one on the farm all the time with great effect. Great gun for teaching kids about guns and safety and hunting.
Whatever you choose have fun.
Brian T - Posted - 11/05/2009: 08:25:49
Shooting steel or most other nontoxic shot shells, if you can afford them, may not allow for long shots. Local geese are no further away than the tops of the telephone poles. Just sit very still in a lawn chair and wait! The Robson Valley is just narrow enough around here that the birds come from either the north or the south. Very little E/W traffic.
Personally, I believe that shooting some clays on a regular basis keeps my coordination in fine tune. A regular, club-type, trap range is OK but I have a big clay thrower machine and we try from all sorts of awkward angles.
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dat - Posted - 11/05/2009: 14:52:46
I have a stoeger side by side, it's a solid gun but not smooth, very awkward, not anything I'ld carry hunting, but it is fun to shoot. I bought it cause I just wanted it, it's a good gun to toss around in the truck and take on a midnight skeetshoot, but that's about it
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