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rjanecek - Posted - 10/30/2009: 20:13:25
8 for sale in the classifieds..
I dont think Ive ever seen that before....
new models driving sales?
Rick
Banjov1 - Posted - 10/30/2009: 20:23:18
You might be right Rick... maybe that new tone ring
In the mean time, my check book keeps jumping out of the draw at me saying "buy one... buy a Huber... buy it now". It's tough to ignore. I'd love to have a Huber.
Tony
burlap - Posted - 10/31/2009: 01:46:15
If you can get any info on the new ring.....I email'd Huber a couple of weeks ago and still haven't got a reply....
airborne - Posted - 10/31/2009: 03:29:18
I sent three e-mail's and phoned three time's from the UK and left three message's. still no joy. great customer service, sent an e-mail to Deering got one back the same day, i'll say no more.
john.
style 6 - Posted - 10/31/2009: 03:59:21
Hi
I phoned Steve Huber yesterday (friday) Spoke to steve no problem, Great customer service.
Richard
vtyankee5 - Posted - 10/31/2009: 04:44:48
When there's thousands in circulation a few is a small dent. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing. The economy does stink and the holidays will be here soon. Unemployment is still rising and the fake money machine is running out of ink.
rjanecek - Posted - 10/31/2009: 06:25:48
quote:
When there's thousands in circulation a few is a small dent. Doesn't mean it's a bad thing. The economy does stink and the holidays will be here soon. Unemployment is still rising and the fake money machine is running out of ink.
Hi, didnt mean to sound like it was a "bad thing" To me, at least its a very surprising thing. theres not always one for sale, let alone 8. I would be happy if I were in the market to have such options... Mine was a good one as were the others Ive had the chance to play Thousands? Really? Rick
Grey Dog - Posted - 10/31/2009: 06:34:00
Up to 9!
I kinda watch the numbers in the classifieds like the stock market.
And today's Banjo Index is....
][ Grey Dog in NH
shuber - Posted - 10/31/2009: 07:56:55
Hi folks,
My apologies for the delay or non-response of some emails. Jim's (our customer service) PC blew a hard drive and we were down for 4 days. I believe we lost some emails so please email us again. Phone traffic has picked up a lot ( thankfully) so please leave us a message if we are on the telly when you call.
Happy Halloween,
Steve Huber
shuber - Posted - 10/31/2009: 08:31:37
Hi folks,
My apologies for the delay or non-response of some emails. Jim's (our customer service) PC blew a hard drive and we were down for 4 days. I believe we lost some emails so please email us again. Phone traffic has picked up a lot ( thankfully) so please leave us a message if we are on the telly when you call.
Happy Halloween,
Steve Huber
Forrest - Posted - 10/31/2009: 12:45:56
I've had absolutely no issues reaching Jim on the phone. He's a great guy and very helpful. I'd say pick up the phone and call Steve's shop if you want to reach them.
"Run, Forrest, Run!"
tubeandplate - Posted - 10/31/2009: 23:38:12
quote:
Originally posted by mrphysics55
???
Who's Huber ?
They (Huber) used to make Tractors in the 1920's and 30's (BTW, the circular 20 bolt "Trolley" bronze hydraulic PTO mounting flange from a Huber 30HP tractor drops right on a prewar Gibson raised head rim with no alteration....coincidence  ). In the 40's and 50's after the war, Huber made beer. Google Huber beer or Huber tractor if you don't believe me. What the same family is doing now making banjos, who knows (of course all three products could easily fit in the same BG song-another coincidence )? Maybe after all these years, they realized there was more money in banjos than farming machinery or liquor. They say diversification is the name of the game in corporate big business. "Horizontal integration" or something like that if I remember my Business Policy classes from college. Oh, and my understanding is this Huber tractor part has the same part number as the order form number for the "new" Huber tonering. "HR- something or other"-30 I think, for the HP of the tractor the part goes on. Let the buyer beware; I bet this tonering thing is just a scam for Huber, LLC to unload a bunch of NOS obsolete tractor parts (you can get the exact same part from Tractor Supply or Grainger's for like $75, and it still has the same part number it's had since the 1930's  ). Truth is stranger than fiction.  Hope that helps!  http://www.banjohangout.org/topic/152453Chris Cioffi (615)382-1376
Edited by - tubeandplate on 11/01/2009 12:59:14
vtyankee5 - Posted - 11/01/2009: 14:05:40
Chris I found a Huber Tractor on E-bay for $300. WOW and I get three tone rings in the deal. Whoooooo Hooooooo
tubeandplate - Posted - 11/01/2009: 15:43:54
Hi Joe-I've been meaning to respond to your PM to me from a while back...I haven't forgotten.
Well, I'm glad there's one vintage tractor fellow here who can corroborate my post.
I was going to wait until a more appropriate time to start my own thread on this subject, but since we are here and the subject has been opened, and seconded:
Following is an excerpt from my soon to be released book “Tractors and Banjos….the Kalamazoo Connection”, and all text is copyrighted in my name, 2009:
Huber Tractors, Inc. actually came up with the 20 bolt “Trolley Bronze” PTO flange in an effort to not only push the Huber Tractor, but to offer Gibson Tractor owners an “upgrade” to their tractors, the claim being that a Gibson tractor PTO converted with a Huber 20 bolt PTO flange would increase the OEM Gibson tractor’s horsepower by 30%.
You can google Gibson Tractor for more on this and Gibson tractors from this period.
Remember, these were the days of “babbit bearings” where certain internal combustion engines and their related systems employed babbit bearings, which, while difficult to install, would take up for manufacturing dimensional differences in mated parts of assemblies (sound familiar?). Sometimes, these “Trolley Bronze” 20 mounting hole PTO flanges had minor dimensional differences from manufacturing of a few thousandths of an inch in their ID and overall seating height as it related to the PTO part it mounted on and mated with (sound familiar? Read on…..).
The reason, besides the Huber bottom line (of course), for this conversion offering by Huber, was that the Gibson Tractor up until this time had used a PTO mounting flange that utilized ball bearings for their PTO assembly to rotate on the flange with, claiming less lubrication attention needed by the owner/operator in dusty farm conditions, which were common during this period of the American Dust Bowl (greases and oil attact dirt and therefore wear moving parts-working a dustbowl era cornfield was VERY dusty).
Gibson’s attempt at a new PTO mounting flange with no ball bearings (or the clutch springs that kept them in place) had 2 vertical protrusions that reduced the ID of the overall circumference of the opening in the middle of the part was almost a complete failure from a marketing standpoint (especially since it required 40 mouting bolts which was too labor intensive to install on a tractor by most farmer's estimations), but surprisingly, many are still in use today by tractor owners who won’t use anything else, maintaining the view that they actually work better than any other system. Gibson was on the right track with the 40 bolt PTO mounting flange, since it was their idea to make that version from “Trolley Bronze”, but this was not advertised as “lubrication free“; it‘s just that trolley bronze was plentiful and cheap as an industrial alloy of the time. But still, the 40 bolt verion never really caught on.
The Huber idea was that not only neither were ball bearings nor 40 mounting bolts not needed with their conversion (the Huber part was twice as easy to install as the Gibson post ball bearing part having half as many mounting bolts), but the lubrication issue was solved, since the new Huber 20 bolt PTO mount was bronze (more specifically an oilite type trolley bronze with a certain amount of trace elements in the alloy, lead being one for lubrication, to help with lubrication and still not need lubrication oils/greases). Huber Tractors made a big deal about this choice of alloy and it’s benefits after Gibson’s product has slipped from favor with the farming public, Gibson having never used the alloy’s advantages in it’s marketing.
This is where things get sketchy, as this is about the time Ferguson came up with his 3 point hitch, and Henry Ford made an agreement with him for the exclusive use of his hitch on the Ford tractor.
Ford had many business interests and offereings in the 30’s, like the Ford Fliver or Flivver airplane (I defer again to google), and the not so commonly remembered “Ford Banjo”.
Well, the Ford 9N tractor with the Ferguson 3 point hitch took off in ‘39, and was very successful. Ford divested himself of his aviation and banjo interests when he met Ferguson in the late 20’s, during his marketing of the Fordson tractor, to concentrate on his new (and soon to become) profitable endeavor with Ferguson.
In testing the Ferguson hitch, Ford had used several currently available tractors of the time besides his own Fordson, including the Gibson and Huber Tractors. Ford’s chief R&D test engineers in his tractor division were Don Remo and Earl Shubb, who had studied agricultural equipment in their youth before the dust bowl and depression with Puffy Jenkins, a contemporary guru of tractors and their various power take off systems (Puff Daddy, one of Jenkin’s descendants is now in the “music” business, but not with any banjo related music-search google for more on this).
Earl Shubb realized in his tractor tests for Ford during the development of the Ferguson/Ford system that the Huber "Trolley Bronze" 20 hole PTO flange was indeed an improvement over the Gibson PTO ball bearing and 40 bolt systems, but that the Ferguson system was much more efficient, easier to use, and did not require a PTO flange of the same size. Earl Shubb, in a fit of genious, re-applied the same Huber/Gibson conversion PTO technology to the Ford 2N engine (instead of the PTO systems), a 4 cylinder, which utilized and became known as the “flathead” cylinder head engine. This brainstorm was so successful, that this “flathead” feature also became the design standard for Fords leading engine at the time, the V8, known commonly now as the “Ford flathead V-8” engine.
It is interesting that after working with Ford, Earl Shubb took a severance package from Ford and went to work with Monroe Implement Company, then just getting into tractor implements and forsaking their place in the market as a leading maker of horse drawn farming implements. Earl was the first design engineer to work with Monroe during Monroe’s new business phase of designing and marketing of tractor drawn farm implements.
After this initial period, in which Monroe gained most of the market share (mainly due to Earl's R&D talent as had been proved while he was at Ford), Earl quit to form his own implement company with another partner, and Don Remo, having left Ford to serve in the army during the war, returned home only to find Henry Ford Sr. had died. Don couldn’t stand Henry Ford Jr., who had taken over (neither could Ferguson, who went back to his native England to manufacture the Ferguson Tractor there-see google for more on this), and was subsequently hired by Monroe Implement, Co., Inc. Remo became known for his own innovative tractor PTO designs, but never achieved the market share of the Earl Schieb system, though many farmers prefer the Don Remo system, saying it is superior, but does require user dexterity as the control lever for the PTO is a variable position lever, placed on the left side of the driver’s seat, unlike Earl Scheib’s design, in which the control is a much more user friendly pedal on the right hand side of the driver’s seat.
It’s only speculation, but many in the vintage tractor world have wondered since that time what would have happened had Don Remo come up with his design idea first while he was at Monroe Implement, instead of Earl coming up with his first before he left Monroe. A few years later, Don Remo went into the drum business, manufacturing plastic drum heads, and it wasn’t long before he jumped on the banjo bandwagon and, remembering his work with the tractor PTO’s and seeing the resultant use of the tractor PTO parts in banjo construction, started offering plastic banjo heads as well. Huber also later got into this end of the banjo parts business, utilizing Remo’s foundational work, but marketing them under the Huber name.
Anyway, when Ford left the banjo business to pursue tractors after Earl and Don confirmed the efficiency of the Ferguson PTO, the Ferguson system proceeded to supplant the Gibson ball bearing and 40 bolt PTO systems, and subsequently the Huber 20 bolt bronze PTO system (thus negating the need for the Huber conversion part/design in the Ford/Ferguson tractor, and indeed, in any other tractor but a used Gibson or Huber tractor).
This left Huber with an overstock of Huber “Trolley Bronze” 20 mounting bolt hole PTO mounting flanges with no prospect for selling them.
Huber sold their tractor interest to Gibson, and started doing market research on a new endeavor, which, after the war, and utilizing Huber’s experience in metal working, ended up being the Huber Beer venture. The aluminum can for the beer was not a difficult transition for Huber, given their experience with metal work in tractor fabrication and manufacture. Ironically, the pull tab on a Huber beer can is the same part as a string cover on a Presto tailpiece (but with the word "Huber" in place of the normally found "Presto" and/or "Grover")…go figure.
Gibson now owned the rights to what was Huber’s parts inventory, and realizing Ford’s success with the Fordson tractor and the “secret” budding relationship with Ferguson at the time, decided to get out of the tractor business, and take up where Ford left off with banjo development.
Feruson’s deal with Ford was by a handshake only, and no legal documents were signed or filed (google, again, if you want to check my facts). Gibson took advantage of this situation and stole the “flathead” idea and applied it to their product development of their new banjo line, realizing the Huber conversion PTO part meant to replace their own ball bearing and/or 40 bolt PTO part was far superior to the ball bearing/40 bolt part when comparatively tested on various banjo rims, which at the time, had become recently standardized to an 11” skinhead size (Roger that, blue leader).
Gibson was able to design a banjo rim that not only accommodated the Huber conversion 20 bolt “Trolley Bronze” PTO conversion flange, but fortuitously, it matched the 11” standard banjo head size of the day, and was marketed as a “flathead” tonering, taking advantage of Ford’s legal loopholes in his agreement with Ferguson.
When the war got into full swing, Gibson could not procure parts to keep manufacturing banjos due to Government Rationing, and had to quit making banjos until after the war. This is an odd situation, since the Gibson inventory was filled with NOS (previously) Huber conversion “flathead” PTO flanges, which were kept at both the Star Brass and Kalamazoo Tank and Silo companys’ warehouses in Kalamazoo, MI, the home office base of all three companies as well as a manufacturing center for farming equipment and heavy equiptment/tools before WW2. Star Brass Foundry and Kalamazoo Tank & Silo Co. had made the parts for Huber, but never been paid for them (Huber Tractor was actually in receivership when they went into the beer business, and there are several unsolved litigations of the time against the then CEO of Huber Tractor Co. for apparently using investor money for personal reasons instead of using the invested funds for the Tractor company, which was the investors’ understanding and intent in buying Huber Tractor stock in the first place). Gibson had paid the debt when they bought out Huber Tractor, but never took delivery of the PTO parts since they couldn’t get other banjo parts at the time due to rationing for the war, and couldn‘t produce any product anyway.
Every once in a while still today, an original Huber tractor PTO flange will come to market on ebay or craigslist, being mis-labeled for sale as an original prewar Gibson “flathead” banjo tonering, when in reality, it’s just a tractor part, again, still available from Tractor Supply or Grainger for about $75, and oddly, with the same part number as the "new" Huber tonering (HR-30). Yes, the Tractor Supply or Grainger part sounds great in an old Gibson banjo.
My undestanding from interviews conducted with Huber Banjos, is that NO research or trials were conducted in the marketing of this new “HR-30 Flathead Tonering” for use in the Huber banjo or to convert old Gibson banjos (or tractors if you still have one), but is simply a re-labelling of an existing part that has been sitting in two different warehouses in Kalamazoo, MI for over 60 years, weathering the market's change in taste from banjos, to tractors, to banjos once again.......
I suspect from this new offering, the current incarnation of the Huber business interest has regained the rights and ownership of the remaining warehoused “Trolley Bronze” 20 bolt "flathead" PTO mounting flanges (demand for the decrepit Gibson tractors and their parts being almost nil nowadays with few original tractors remaining, but current owners insisting they are the best tractors ever made), and with the banjo market being inordinately healthy, is now selling these tractor parts as banjo tonerings once again.
Indeed, they became banjo tonerings through a comedy of errors as you have read, but are really obsolete tractor parts, still commonly available from tractor supply houses (which few people realize, aside from diehard Gibson Tractor collectors and users, who try to keep this source to themselves in an effort to keep their tractors all original).
Sorry this has been a long post. I wanted to clear the air about this since I have done the research (most of the salient facts can be confirmed by a google search, and/or some tractor supply/parts catalogs, and a visit to the Kalamazoo, MI county clerk's office in that city's Courthouse), and it’s not commonly known, though seems to be of some interest to some people in the banjo world. Watch for my upcoming book on this subject to be offered exclusively here on BHO and selected vintage tractor forums.
I’m pretty tired from a full week of building and sanding banjo necks, and I’m not feeling well, so I will take my leave now. I think the sanding dust has gotten to me; rosewood dust is considered in Brazil to be an aphrodisiac...something about the oil in the wood being inhaled in dust form.
From Oxnard’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Aphrodisiac (af-ro-diz’I-ak), noun; from the Greek: African-American pomade or poultice possessing a distinct odor sometimes known to cause euphoria, especially in banjo players
Thank you for your time and attention.
http://www.banjohangout.org/topic/152453
Chris Cioffi
(615)382-1376
Edited by - tubeandplate on 02/23/2010 10:40:37
vtyankee5 - Posted - 11/01/2009: 17:42:59
Chris here's the original logo from the Huber Tractor company. Script look familiar?? Looks like Huber may be in for infringement problems with his own name.
tubeandplate - Posted - 11/01/2009: 18:40:59
Joe-That's not the Huber Beer logo? It looks just like all the beer cans in Huber's office???? Maybe THAT'S why he was tipsy and playing that bass-banjo in his avtar??? (well, at least it's a prewar Gibson bass-banjo, anyway)
David-Yeah, great food/buffet over there. When he gets too worked up talking about this stuff, I just yell "WHEEL BALANCERS!!!!". That seems to calm him down every time-must have something to do with tractors.
Well, I'm not fully recovered from the rosewood dust yet, but I do have one thing to share before I turn in tonight.
The way you can tell if you've got a used or NOS "Trolley Bronze" 20 mounting bolt Huber Tractor PTO conversion mounting flange, is that the used ones have concentric circles seemingly etched into the face where the 20 mounting bolt holes are. Banjo players mistakenly identify these marks as lathe marks from when the part was made.
Actually, these are marks made in the part when the flange was installed and used in the PTO on the tractor....the clutch piece that bears against the PTO mounting flange makes these marks in the face of the flange as the clutch meshes with it under power.
You can always tell a NOS flange (ie "tonering") when the face is shiny or smooth....indicating it has never been used or installed on a tractor. Banjo players think these are late 30's flathead Gibson banjo tonerings since they think Gibson buffed the tonering faces smooth in the later 30's. In reality, they are unused, NOS Huber Tractor PTO mounting flanges for converting Gibson Tractors to this upgraded PTO and performance level.
The fact that the banjo tonerings and these aforementioned tractor PTO parts are interchangeable doesn't change the fact that all we're talking about here is....tractor parts, and the history of the greater Huber conglomerate of businesses over the years.
I wonder if George Gruhn has ever appraised a prewar tractor
http://www.banjohangout.org/topic/152453
Chris Cioffi
(615)382-1376
Edited by - tubeandplate on 11/01/2009 19:23:04
Mike Johnson - Posted - 11/01/2009: 19:06:29
Hey Spann,Are you getting all this?
Chris,George defers to Barry on pre-war tractors.
Mike Johnson
tubeandplate - Posted - 11/01/2009: 19:31:42
Hey Mike!!!
Spann has all the Huber and Gibson tractor serial numbers and shipping dates....at least from '35 up to the Ford/Ferguson times.
The Gibson serial number is on the engine block on the flywheel/pulley side just under the 3rd spark plug. The Huber serial number is embossed on the transfer case....you have to lift up the seat and look under it to find the #.
Don't George and Barry manage a reptile sanctuary somewhere in East Tennessee?
http://www.banjohangout.org/topic/152453
Chris Cioffi
(615)382-1376
Surveyor - Posted - 11/01/2009: 22:14:18
So cool! The knowledge here blows my mind!
Mr. B
Wind me up and watch me go!
Joe Spann - Posted - 11/02/2009: 03:19:17
I think Chris needs to correct his tractor production chronology by several years. The 20 bolt "trolley bronze" PTO flange was actually first produced in 1919. I think it was actually a Henry Ford design. The initials "H.F." appear in the signature block of the original blueprint. Subsequent research may show that Ted McHugh worked in the design shop at Ford Motor Company before moving to Kalamazoo.
tubeandplate - Posted - 11/02/2009: 07:02:57
Hi Joe!!!
As usual, I stand corrected!
Joe, does this potentially mean that HF had originally planned to use the 20 mounting bolt "Trolley Bronze" PTO mounting flange with the 11" OD on the earlier Fordson tractor, then abandoned the concept until the later tests with Don and Earl, only to abandon it yet again after testing at that later time as well???
1919 means that surely, Puffy Jenkins himself may have been privy to these original HF tests in it's initial development. The plot thickens.....
VERY intriguing.....more research is definitely called for here. I will need to find still living emloyees, witnesses, or their family members to interview on this point, for sure.
Remember, I'm still only into editing the second draft of my book, and I have piles of notes on my desk that are very unorganized.
I'll make a "note to self" to be sure and correct this as I continue to edit.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and insights, Joe!
And yes, I have to constantly remind myself that Kalamazoo and Detroit were not that far apart (by Ford Fliver aircraft OR Model T)......undoubtedly having an impact on how all this played out at the time.
http://www.banjohangout.org/topic/152453
Chris Cioffi
(615)382-1376
Edited by - tubeandplate on 11/02/2009 07:15:27
Flatiron53 - Posted - 11/02/2009: 12:53:49
Some people have far to much unsupervised free time.
I love this site!
Mark
vtyankee5 - Posted - 11/02/2009: 14:42:54
Steve Huber is a genius in deception. He's not making the HR tone rings out of the PTO from a 30's Huber Tractor. He's making his new rims from them. The material used for the 30's PTO is ideal for the Huber rims. What an ingenious idea.
Fellow banjo pickers, The real prewar rim has come alive.
I won't give away what the 1930's Huber Tractor PTO formula is. Steve may get a little upset.
rjanecek - Posted - 11/02/2009: 16:40:44
what the %#(?
lol
huber tractor!! good one!!
Rick
banjobilly32 - Posted - 11/05/2009: 05:32:25
Wow! If all this information leaks out this could upset the Pre-War conspiracy! We'll all be searching out antique tractors instead!!
I'd like to order some of what Chris is smoking, or drinking? He can sure put things in perspective! That boy has a way with words.
I have some old farm machinery experience in my fetching up years. They did build stuff to last in the '20's and 30's. There could be a connection to all those prewar banjars??
banjobilly32 - Posted - 11/05/2009: 05:33:03
Wow! If all this information leaks out this could upset the Pre-War conspiracy! We'll all be searching out antique tractors instead!!
I'd like to order some of what Chris is smoking, or drinking? He can sure put things in perspective! That boy has a way with words.
I have some old farm machinery experience in my fetching up years. They did build stuff to last in the '20's and 30's. There could be a connection to all those prewar banjars??
tubeandplate - Posted - 11/05/2009: 07:47:47
quote:
Originally posted by banjobilly32
Wow! If all this information leaks out this could upset the Pre-War conspiracy! We'll all be searching out antique tractors instead!!
I'd like to order some of what Chris is smoking, or drinking? He can sure put things in perspective! That boy has a way with words.
Bill-Three guesses and the first 2 don't count..... HUBER BEER! (Gibson never made any)    My understanding is, though, that Steve is working on an "aftermarket conversion" yeast that "converts/upgrades through retrofitting" Whitbread Pale Ale into a true beer from an ale, AFTER the Whitebread bottle has been sprayed with Greg Rich's "Huber Beer can spray" Info/commentary on me & my banjo repair & set up shop services: http://www.banjohangout.org/topic/152453http://www.banjohangout.org/topic/160041Chris Cioffi (615)382-1376
Edited by - tubeandplate on 11/05/2009 07:51:04
banjerman - Posted - 11/05/2009: 14:13:56
Hey Rick:
I looked and sure nuff found 2 layin in my back yard. A Lancaster and a Vintage....thanks for the heads up dude!
Wally
vtyankee5 - Posted - 11/05/2009: 14:34:42
Huber Beer right here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph...wing_Company
Huber sold premium beer as his signature model keeping it for himself. The premium beer had a longer skirt. Huber was famous for his Huber Bock Beer sold as a separate component with a shorter skirt to whoever walked in the door. He use to say, after a couple they couldn't tell the difference anyway. Huber would record then play back the sound of the carbonated bubbles popping to prove his brewing abilities to drinkers. Huber Beer had a lot of Pop up the top of the glass.
vtyankee5 - Posted - 11/05/2009: 14:56:37
Most heads are double frosted. If you tap the side of the glass of the Bock Beer it will always Ring at G#. Every glass using the premium Beer rang an A# to B. After the first sip the decay would tantalize your pallet.
tubeandplate - Posted - 11/05/2009: 15:05:34
Joe-I heard an old wive's tail at a festival (er...I mean...tractor pull) last summer that if you sprinkle salt on a Huber head, the frosting will get thicker, and change the tone...
Is this true or just another one of those things you hear all the time
Like I heard once if you take the Gibson Ball Bearing PTO flange in a Gibson Tractor, remove the ball bearings and springs, and install the Ball Bearing PTO flange upside down on the paper/phenolic part, it works better and about as good as using the Huber Conversion 20 bolt "Trolley Bronze" PTO mounting flange, but sounds different under load.....and actually looks like the "flathead" PTO from the outside...
Info/commentary on me & my banjo repair & set up shop services:
http://www.banjohangout.org/topic/152453
http://www.banjohangout.org/topic/160041
Chris Cioffi
(615)382-1376
Edited by - tubeandplate on 11/05/2009 15:06:25
vtyankee5 - Posted - 11/05/2009: 15:19:47
Oh boy yess that's best for the prewar sound. Adding salt to a head takes a little practice. Here's the instructions:
Take a head and wet it with a damp cloth. Sprinkle salt evenly on the head untill the desired look and feel. Plug the hair dryer in and heat the head, as the salt absorbs the water, now forming a fine crust. For those who are bald or live where they do not use hairdryers, the exhaust from a tractor or pick up truck works fine. Be patient and turn your head (the one on your shoulders)the other way while breathing.
Later we can talk about tuning using a catalytic converter from AT to Flathead.
I think my first wife had a tail now that you mention it. Did she tell you this?
Edited by - vtyankee5 on 11/05/2009 15:22:54
dorse - Posted - 11/05/2009: 20:42:32
vtyankee5, I've heard that if you use sugar instead of salt on the banjo head, it will yield a sweeter tone. Haven't tried that though.
--Dorse
rjanecek - Posted - 11/10/2009: 12:35:02
Wally
Just looking out for you!!! You know.. trying to be a nice fella.. I really just misplaced that Vintage.. Ill be stopping by to pick it up after work!
God Bless America
Rick
davepicks5 - Posted - 12/15/2009: 16:03:59
Chris
Short skirt or long skirt fender on that tractor........
David
fiddlebuster - Posted - 12/16/2009: 02:52:10
I love this thread, thanks all for the laughs. I am now considering changing my name to "tractorbuster"
rjanecek - Posted - 12/16/2009: 04:31:19
I dont like this thread. who started this stupid thing anyway?
Paulc - Posted - 12/20/2009: 10:03:12
Do John Deere make Tonerings?
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