Bitbender - Posted - 10/27/2009:  17:39:18

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All said well, it's a shame that it happens with 5%. Two years back, I had the displeasure of selling my 24ft Chapparal dream boat to a dude up in Illnois, near Chicago (I'm in NE Texas) - Neither one of us trusted each other AT All.

Not 'cause we didn't get on or such, just that 40 grand is 40 grand and we only had telephone conversations to base our judgements off of. In the end, the guy got a boat I took equisite care of it's first 3 years. And I got my loan paid off and an escape from the BOAT (Break Out Another Thousand) affliction.

I would have sold that boat to Jesus and had a clear conscience, I'm tellin ya :) And this fella had cash. Didn't matter a whit. What we had to do was make terms we were both satisfied with. In my example, it took about 3 weeks of back and forth, it's off, Ok, maybe it's not.. and such before we found a sweet spot and got it done.

We parted a bit wiser - We realized there are honest people out here, and a truly honest business partner will allow you the same protections they are seeking. If not, well, each be to their own choice, and peril.

But now I have a new affliction - one that doesn't burn 4-6 gallons an hour. Speaking of which, it's time to practice some more!

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Edited by - Bitbender on 10/27/2009 17:40:26

cat2 - Posted - 10/27/2009:  20:21:51

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Hey gang, the only reason I posted this is to expose this person so no one else gets burned by this guy. In all the posts, nobody was interested in who it is. The Mod who emailed me asked for his name and he is locked out. At least that's something.

pipefitter61 - Posted - 10/27/2009:  21:00:32

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I'm interested! I do a lot of buying/trading, and would hate to get snagged.

banjoy - Posted - 10/27/2009:  21:01:19

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Hey Bob--

Another thing banjohangout folks missed -- and no one mentioned that I could see in skimming all the posts -- is that you can look at a person's profile and see the last time they logged into banjohangout.

I doubt you can access the user's profile now that it's blocked, but did you happen to observe if they were still logging in during the time you were being ignored, or did that end too about the time of your transaction? That would have been a clue as to intent, I believe.

--Frank

cat2 - Posted - 10/27/2009:  21:13:53

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Frank; I did look to see when his last time on the HO was, and it's funny his last time was 7/7/09. I did not post the ad until much later. Maybe he is using a different computer or something.

banjoken - Posted - 10/27/2009:  22:01:37

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One does not have to sign on with a different computer to avoid having the time and date logged in the profile. If one does not log in and browses as a guest it should not log the visit.

Who knows, perhaps this guy, and the one that burned Arthur are here with a different user name. I know it is against the rules, but I would think that a mod would have to look for it.

I wonder if when an account is blocked if the user is banned from reading the site? Do they actually ban the ip too?

Helix - Posted - 10/28/2009:  01:52:51

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It's wise, so wise, not to libelize. Be aware, you SHOULD have been able to trust, no real damage to you. But the other person may have lost what was never theirs, in that case be careful, they will have their reward, don't get caught up in their game. In other words you don't want your dogma to get run over by a karma.

I remember a comedian who heckled this lady because of her hat, and made her stand up and gave her a bunch of trouble about it for fun - only to find out she was deaf.

http://www.helixbanjos.com
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Bayou Talker - Posted - 10/28/2009:  05:01:17

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Originally posted by MTBanjo

I suppose you're right. But I guess as the seller, you are in charge, really. If somebody wants to buy what you've got, they've got to give you the money. I hear what you're saying, but I think, when stripped down to its basics...the seller is in charge. You want what they have, so you've got to pay them, and then you get it.

I know, they want what you have too ($), but I think when there is a transaction, the seller is in charge. I could be proven wrong, but that's the way it seems in my mind. If we were trading (goods for goods), I'd say it's a bit more even of a transaction, but for some reason (possibly based on false reasoning but I'm not sure), in my mind, if you are buying something with money, the person with the product is the one that sets the rules.

Of course when you're paying for services...unless they're illegal...typically you pay when the job is done. So I don't know. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about!

Zach

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Indeed that is they way it is usually done these days but just because it is done this way doesn't make it right. If I have something to sell and I feel comfortable with the purchaser I will ship to them as soon as they tell me the money is on the way. I may get burned one of these days but I have also gotten a lot of good feedback.

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A business friend told me once that McDonalds has one of the best business plans in the world.

You pay first then get your food.

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That may be true but you can SEE the food being made when you pay for it and you receive it at the same time. Sounds to me like they operate more like I do. You exchange food for money ASAP. They don't make you wait and pick it up tomorrow or next week. And you are right, it seems to be working.

Cliff Hebert
Bridgeport, AL

jazzylynne - Posted - 10/28/2009:  06:14:13

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You can read the forum as a guest but you can't access certain areas and you can't post.
The reason I locked him is to get his attention. In order to come back on he will have to contact Eric or a mod.
I have posted his name in the moderator forum so we are all aware of who he is.
His last visit was more then 3 months ago I would be surprised if he came back anytime soon.

What goes around comes around. Hopefully one of those straps will break and his banjo will fall to the floor breaking his foot and the banjo.

Lynne

MTBanjo - Posted - 10/28/2009:  07:07:01

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I don't really get the McDonalds reference...was he saying that the pay first then get the food IS the business model, or just one part of it, or what?

Anyways, I hear you. Just because that's the way it is doesn't make it the "right" way. I'm just saying it seems like the "right" way to me. That may well be because it's what I've grown up with, so I'm used to it, and that's why it seems right, not because it actually IS right. The best way is to be face to face. I hand you the money and you hand me the goods. But in a long distance transaction, that changes. So, I could think on it for a while and try to figure out the reason why it seems right to me to have the seller be "in charge"...but I probably won't.

I can leave it at this: you may well be right.

You're right cat2, nobody seemed to interested in who it was. I'll say for myself that I AM interested, but it's just bad form to get here and air dirty laundry. You did it right, asking first if you should say the name. Like other people mentioned, sometimes people post here with good intentions, and end up being the "bad guy" because they didn't fully understand the situation. So even though I'd like to know who it is, it's just not cool to come on here and post a name, so people were good and didn't ask for it, even though I'm sure quite a few would like to know who it is.

Some people come right here and post with any problem they have, before ever trying to work it out with the person/business. Often it's just because they don't think about it first...we're used to getting so many immediate answers to our problems on this site. But before you know it people are throwing words like "slander" at you. Always make a good hard effort to work it out with the person/business, before possibly ruining their reputation over a misunderstanding or a "one time thing". Seems like you more or less handled it right.

Zach

Voyageur - Posted - 10/28/2009:  08:50:27

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The McDonald's analogy doesn't work for me. MickeyD's is an established international corporation. The possibility that they will accept your money and refuse to give you your food is virtually zero. In a private transaction transacted by two individuals over the internet, it seems equally likely (or unlikely) that the seller will receive the money and not ship the item as it is that the buyer will receive the item and not make payment. Why should the seller receive preferment?

I sold a banjo online and shipped it before I got the check. The check came. I bought a banjo from Eric Prust, who not only ships before he is paid, but tells you to play it awhile to be sure you're satisfied before sending any money! I also bought a banjo from Dan Pennington, who sent the banjo long before my check could have cleared.

I have bought many things on ebay and only been cheated once, before the era of PayPal. A seller never shipped the inkjet printer I bought, and I was out $100. Another time, I bought a $25 fiddle for a kid's music program, and it was damaged, clearly not in shipping, and the seller never made good. Big deal, he has to live with making himself a sleazy crook for $25.

Mary

"Do not pray for an easy life. Pray to be stronger. Do not pray for tasks equal to your powers. Pray for powers equal to your tasks."
- Fr. Solanus Casey

banjoken - Posted - 10/28/2009:  09:21:29

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Are you sure Eric and Dan ship this way to just anyone?

doley50 - Posted - 10/28/2009:  09:43:10

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I'm interested in who this member is , I don't want to trash anyone , but I want to make sure I don't deal with this person.

Gold Tone OB 250

chrome - Posted - 10/28/2009:  16:06:11

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It wasn't me...I'm still alive and well......lol