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GerryH - Posted - 10/19/2009: 19:54:15
Does anyone know the history of the tune Baptist Shout? I love its simple melody and as a Baptist the title delights me.
RWJones1970 - Posted - 10/19/2009: 20:01:24
*** I love this tune as well. Great melody line and as believers in CHRIST, theres alot to "shout" about concerning this new life and the one to come. My favorite version so far is Chip Arnold's. He may know a bit about the origins of this tune.
***http://www.banjohangout.org/myhango...x=1#comments
"Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man forsake his thoughts. Let him return to the LORD and HE will have compassion on him. For HE will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are higher than your thoughts and my ways are higher than your ways, Declares The LORD." (Isaiah 55:7-9)
J-Walk - Posted - 10/19/2009: 20:16:53
C'mon Rob. Save it for church. I come here for banjos, not religion.
chip arnold - Posted - 10/19/2009: 20:45:48
Thanks for the kind words :-) I really don't know the origin of the tune. Frank Jenkins played it with Da Costa Woltz's Southern Broadcasters. You can hear it here: http://new.music.yahoo.com/frank-je...t--183750751
If Gail reads this, she can tell us about the origins.
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Take what is given
Give what is taken
Chip Arnold
Surveyor - Posted - 10/19/2009: 20:47:35
J-Walk! Were all rollin my man. Can you play it? I have never heard that one.
Mr. B
Wind me up and watch me go!
RWJones1970 - Posted - 10/19/2009: 20:48:26
*** Its a way of life for me and I haven't been to church in probably 5 years. Don't be offended J, I was replying to Gerry's comment, who just happens to be a Chaplain.
"Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous man forsake his thoughts. Let him return to the LORD and HE will have compassion on him. For HE will abundantly pardon. For my thoughts are higher than your thoughts and my ways are higher than your ways, Declares The LORD." (Isaiah 55:7-9)
Edited by - RWJones1970 on 10/19/2009 20:49:39
J-Walk - Posted - 10/19/2009: 21:04:03
I can play AT it, clawhammer style in Double C tuning.
Jason Romero does a nice job picking it on "The Haints" CD. He also played a bit of it on the Webcast tonight.
BTW Rob, I also find your signature offensive. I really don't want to see Bible verses when I come to a banjo site. There's really no need to advertise your faith here.
RWJones1970 - Posted - 10/19/2009: 21:40:13
*** There are lot's of gospel clawhammer tunes of which you admit to try to play and your not offended that you play those.
Jesus said, " I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through ME." (John: 14-6.)
Edited by - RWJones1970 on 10/19/2009 22:01:45
Surveyor - Posted - 10/19/2009: 21:45:03
Thanks J. I will check it out. I am still workin on the double C tuning. Actually I have a long list to work on with playing.
Robs signature is self expression bro. Sorry it offends ya. I do not think he means it to upset anyone. Its a passion so it becomes a part of how one rolls.
I have to check out Jason Romero now. Thank you for the goods.
Mr. B
Wind me up and watch me go!
Bill Rogers - Posted - 10/19/2009: 23:30:31
I'm with J-Walk. I'm passionate about a lot of things irrelevant to banjos--but I leave them out of my posts (and signature line) for that reason. This is not the place to push one's politics or religion, however well meant or strongly felt.
Bill
RG - Posted - 10/20/2009: 02:04:29
Re: RW's posts and signature line, I don't find anything offensive about it...what happened to this country??? If you don't like something don't read it...there are a LOT of inconsequential things that people do that I find offensive in life (and this is certainly one of those instances)...and guess what, I just mind my own business and move along...Rob's signature line isn't any more offensive than any one else's...it’s his statement take it or leave it...he's quoting from a book that's been around for a long time and if it makes him happy to be able to do that why would you want to take away the joy that he finds in the words that he posts?
BTW J-Walk, I find your oftentimes self-righteous, insulting & pompous posts frequently offensive (especially the one's a while back to Kevin Fore regarding his CD that resulted in his account being locked (did you ever take his invitation to come back to NC and discuss the issue in person?)...and then you complained about OWC advertising his FREE Rocket science banjo project about a year ago which you found excessive, and also when you complained to twelvefret about all of his qoutes in his signature line being too long for your browsing tastes...you just don't seem too happy with folks on the BHO come to think about it), but guess what...I just skip over your posts in a forum topic since they're usually not too useful and then I don't get all hot & bothered about it...but I couldn’t quite ignore this one since RW seems like a pretty good guy who really likes playing the banjo and professes to enjoy his family & life in general…sure sounds like a pretty offensive guy to me; and I'm curious, Chaplain Gerry mentioned that he is a Baptist...did that offend you? Was he pushing his beliefs on you by this statement? When viewed in that context your "offense" to RW's signature line seems pretty trivial and self indulgent...heck, you more than likely find me and this post offensive…and I could care less...you'll either get over it or be a long time mad...
And why is it that if a Bible verse is part of a signature line someone is "pushing" an agenda...but in reality aren't we all with our signature lines? I've seen Hindu, Tibetan, Shinto, Rastafarian, Taoist, Buddhist and other religious & philosophical sayings and references in peoples signature lines, but no one calls them offensive...why is that? Why would a Bible verse on its own be promulgating any other agenda any more so than anyone else’s signature line? Does anyone find Chip's signature line offensive? His signature line is a profound statement that causes one to reflect, just like RW's, so why is RW's offensive and Chip's is not (and I in NO way find Chip’s signature line offensive)? How about we leave to each his own and stop worrying so much about other folk’s business…sure would be a better place if we did in my opinion…and I'm gonna follow my own advice and check out of here for a while, I just don't have the fun on BHO that I used to...too bad...
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"It's a league game Smokey..."
Edited by - RG on 10/20/2009 02:33:26
chip arnold - Posted - 10/20/2009: 06:14:49
I remember the flap over Chuck's long signiture lines. I read them every now and then and skipped them the rest of the time. I was saddened when he felt compelled to removed those words which had meaning to him and which he wanted to share with kindred spirits here. It seemed destructive to complain to Eric and rant about it then as this seems destructive now. If on this board we shared no part of ourselves but banjo information it would be a sterile and uninviting place. A signature line is one of the ways we have of sharing a little of ourselves with each other. It should be an easy thing to overlook for anyone who sees things differently.
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Take what is given
Give what is taken
Chip Arnold
must fret - Posted - 10/20/2009: 06:23:45
Well said Chip. It's a matter of taking what you need and leaving the rest (kind of what your signature line states).
Funny how we can instantly generate and let resentments mess up our day.
Paul
MustFret@GMail.com
Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.
Mark Twain
CosmicMaskedAvenger - Posted - 10/20/2009: 06:29:41
Seems much ado about nothing.
Things I read here sometimes offend me. I generally ignore it.
Besides...
I came here to read about banjo, not to read about people's complaints about somebody's posts or signature line. 
Deering Sierra
Deering Goodtime
Edited by - CosmicMaskedAvenger on 10/20/2009 06:31:40
GerryH - Posted - 10/20/2009: 06:36:25
Those of us who love old time music surely recognize that for many old timers their religion was an essential part of their daily lives even as it is for folks today. Hence, there are religious allusions in old time music - like Baptist Shout. Equally so there are folks who do not care for matters of faith. I agree that this forum is not one for discussing matters of personal faith but I would hope we could respect a person's preference to express something significant to them in their signature line even if we don't resonate with it.
My initial inquiry was to seek information on the origins of the tune's history. I hope someone may be able to shed light on this query.
Thanks, all.
GerryH
J-Walk - Posted - 10/20/2009: 06:46:26
The very fact that someone's religious signature is causing this thread to go off-topic is pretty good evidence that Erich's ban on religious posts is a good idea. Religion always causes controversy.
Should we start a battle of the signatures? I could come up with some good atheist and anti-Christian quotes that would offend a lot of people. I won't, of course, because this isn't the place for such a thing. Nor is the place for Bible quotes.
chip arnold - Posted - 10/20/2009: 07:03:04
Actually J-walk, the thread drift has not had to do with religous posts so much as with a percieved intolerance on your part. For instance, Chucks signature line was not religous. You didn't like it because it was too long.
If you felt that you needed to post "some good atheist and anti-Christian quotes" and they weren't mean spirited, it wouldn't bother me. I probably wouldn't agree with them but I'd only have to read them once to know that. Thereafter I could ignore them. Got any "anti-christian" posts that are not mean spirited?
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Take what is given
Give what is taken
Chip Arnold
J-Walk - Posted - 10/20/2009: 07:07:00
I guess what we really need is a clarification of the "no religion" rule at the BHO. Does it apply to signatures or not?
That said, I'll drop it. Hopefully people will talk about the great tune, "Baptist Shout."
must fret - Posted - 10/20/2009: 07:09:59
quote:
The very fact that someone's religious signature is causing this thread to go off-topic is pretty good evidence that Erich's ban on religious posts is a good idea. Religion always causes controversy.
Signatures/topics aren't the problem. It's our reactions to them. And we're really talking about dogmatism, be it religious, political, whatever. I think most of us are over-opinionated and undereducated in the areas that we like most to argue. Getting back to the topic - does anyone know of a source for looking up the background of various tunes? Kind of like www.thesession.org but more oriented towards old time banjo/fiddle music. Paul MustFret@GMail.comAge is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter. Mark Twain
dewbanjo - Posted - 10/20/2009: 07:46:30
Does anybody know where I can find a "simple" "G" version of this tune?
Keep on the "sunny side"!
Don
chip arnold - Posted - 10/20/2009: 08:10:42
Don, If you'll try working it out by ear in open D you'll find it pretty easy. f# D F# A D It's an old fingerpicking tune but can be played just fine in clawhammer style.
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Take what is given
Give what is taken
Chip Arnold
maxmax - Posted - 10/20/2009: 08:16:25
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Originally posted by chip arnold
Don, If you'll try working it out by ear in open D you'll find it pretty easy. f# D F# A D It's an old fingerpicking tune but can be played just fine in clawhammer style.
Sure thing, that's the way I play it! I learnt it from a Kirk Sutphin recording (he's finger picking it though). One of my favorite tunes! Max
dewbanjo - Posted - 10/20/2009: 08:26:17
thank you as always for your help!!
Keep on the "sunny side"!
Don
RG - Posted - 10/20/2009: 10:49:00
Chip, well said as always, wish other folks would approach the HO like you do...
Paul, try the "Fiddlers Companion" site...lot's of good info on OT music...here's the link...
http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/index.html
And lastly, Gerry in answer to your original question...there is not a shread of info on the history of this tune anywhere on the internet...wonder if Gail does know a story behind the tune...sure fun to play though!
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"It's a league game Smokey..."
Edited by - RG on 10/20/2009 11:16:17
chip arnold - Posted - 10/20/2009: 11:09:20
I enjoyed your post too RG. Thanks.
Don, I just picked the tune out in open G and it's easy but definitely not as pretty (to me) as it is in D where it lays further up the neck and really allows the banjo to ring. The first three notes in G will be the open 3rd, 2nd & 1st strings. That should get you going. For the B part you can waller around on the G, C & D chords below the 5th fret or you can barre the C & D on the 5th and 7th frets. Or mix and match with some of each. Just so's you get the progression right in the B part, you can play the chords wherever you want and it'll sound fine. C, G, D, G C, G, D, G is what you want there.
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Take what is given
Give what is taken
Chip Arnold
chip arnold - Posted - 10/20/2009: 11:23:03
Kirk Sutphin knew H.O. Jenkins and he'd probably know the origin of the tune too. I'll bet a nickle that Frank Jenkins made the tune but really I'm guessing. I don't know of an older version.
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Take what is given
Give what is taken
Chip Arnold
J.Romero Banjos - Posted - 10/20/2009: 11:58:44
Hi folks - I tabbed out Baptist Shout for this month's Banjo Newsletter..... I play it in f#DF#AD tuning. There's a couple notes wrong in the tab in Banjo Newsletter, but if you want the tab email me at romerobanjos@shaw.ca and I'll send it to you. I've been playing it for years and it really is a beautiful tune....
best
jason
www.romerobanjos.com
chip arnold - Posted - 10/20/2009: 12:27:14
Hi Jason, I really enjoyed the tour of your shop and learning about you and your wife. You both do such beautiful work.
I have 2-finger versions of Baptist Shout and Coal Creek March on my Hangout music page. I enjoyed your playing of both.
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Take what is given
Give what is taken
Chip Arnold
munchausen - Posted - 10/20/2009: 12:29:54
quote:
Originally posted by J.Romero Banjos
Hi folks - I tabbed out Baptist Shout for this month's Banjo Newsletter
Thanks for "Devil's Dream," too. I play a 2 finger version based on Mike Seeger's playing. Good to see another take on it. Chip Arnold has a great 2 finger version of "Baptist Shout" on his BHO page. Also check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GZmGOjkll4 from banjochris. In fact, check out everything these guys have posted. Does anyone own 'Old Time Mountain Banjo' on County? "Baptist Shout" appears there, and maybe the liner notes mention something... Chad
GerryH - Posted - 10/20/2009: 15:21:12
WhenI got home today I looked at the liner notes from Bob Carlin's The North Carolina Banjo Collection. The CD includes Frank Jenkins 1927 recording of "Babtist Shout."
The notes state that the tune was "a version of Spanish Fandango descended from the guitar piece with that same title, played in an open tuning analagous to G tuning on the banjo. The piece appears under many names in the rural banjo repertoire- Babtist Shout is just one variation." That may be as good a source information as we can find this day. I appreciate the input, friends.
GerryH
sugarinthegourd - Posted - 10/20/2009: 18:34:51
Awhile back, I spent a lot of time tabbing this piece out, trying to include all the little variations in Jenkins's recording. It's not perfect, but I think I got pretty close. I've just uploaded it here if anyone wants to take a look/listen: http://sugarinthegourd.com/tab/
Best,
John
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millwheel - Posted - 10/22/2009: 08:17:37
I love to play "What a friend we have in Jesus" in clawhammer style. Should I be resigning from something? I wouldn't want to offend anyone along the breadth of our banjo-cultural continuum...
Millwheel
rjanecek - Posted - 10/22/2009: 09:11:18
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Should we start a battle of the signatures? I could come up with some good atheist and anti-Christian quotes that would offend a lot of people. I won't, of course, because this isn't the place for such a thing. Nor is the place for Bible quotes.
cant say I havent thought of doing just that on many occasions.... maybe if we did the "ban" would be enforced good post J Rick
chip arnold - Posted - 10/22/2009: 10:17:55
" some good atheist and anti-Christian"
The operative word seems to be "anti". I don't think saying that I love my OME equates to saying Gibsons suck.
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Take what is given
Give what is taken
Chip Arnold
sugarinthegourd - Posted - 10/22/2009: 12:34:33
Hopefully we don't start seeing stickers like this on Stelling cases.
Win a FREE copy of the New Lost City Ramblers' 3-CD retrospective: http://sugarinthegourd.com
RG - Posted - 10/22/2009: 12:55:39
Originally posted by Chip Arnold
quote:
" some good atheist and anti-Christian"
The operative word seems to be "anti". I don't think saying that I love my OME equates to saying Gibsons suck.
Chip, once more you have nailed it...funny that folks who deny the existence of a supreme entity based on a definition of logic can so conveniently ignore its application in this instance... ****************************************************** "It's a league game Smokey..."
Edited by - RG on 10/22/2009 14:48:14
pastorharry - Posted - 10/22/2009: 17:35:56
John, how much for one of them stickers?? I want one!
sugarinthegourd - Posted - 10/22/2009: 19:47:57
Harry, I made that image a few years ago as a comment to a thread around here. I jokingly suggested making stickers like that with various logos, like you see on Ford and Chevy trucks.
Maybe I should really do it, huh?
John
Win a FREE copy of the New Lost City Ramblers' 3-CD retrospective: http://sugarinthegourd.com
witty banjo related username - Posted - 10/23/2009: 23:18:03
quote:
Originally posted by Paul Roberts
Chip's playing is mellifluous.
Wow! It's not everyday you hear a banjo described as 'mellifluous', but it sure is apt when describing Chip. "Lord, my heart is not proud; my eyes are not haughty. I don't concern myself with matters too great or too awesome for me to grasp." - Psalm 131 If you ain't right, get right.
RWJones1970 - Posted - 10/24/2009: 05:09:25
*** Chip, I just love your version of this tune so much I dowloaded it to my Ipod and played it all day !!!
"I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes." Romans 1:16
Edited by - RWJones1970 on 10/24/2009 05:18:03
chip arnold - Posted - 10/24/2009: 06:19:14
Thanks for all the kind comments. I think I'll name my banjo Mel ;-)
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Take what is given
Give what is taken
Chip Arnold
sugarinthegourd - Posted - 10/24/2009: 07:45:41
Chip, just listened to your recording of Baptist Shout -- great stuff! I love it!
Win a FREE copy of the New Lost City Ramblers' 3-CD retrospective: http://sugarinthegourd.com
John Herrington - Posted - 10/24/2009: 18:18:34
Chip as usual you demonstrate your abilities, not only in your superb 2 finger picking, but in you precise comments on the forum of the moments. You and Paul Roberts got us back to the point, I'd say.
Old John, on the Big Horn River
brokenstrings - Posted - 10/24/2009: 23:01:25
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Originally posted by J-Walk
I guess what we really need is a clarification of the "no religion" rule at the BHO. Does it apply to signatures or not?
That said, I'll drop it. Hopefully people will talk about the great tune, "Baptist Shout."
It does not apply to signatures. Seems to me Eric (Schlange) clarified that when he updated the rules. Jessy Frailaway, ladies, frailaway!
C Hall - Posted - 10/26/2009: 09:36:18
Anyone familiar with Bob Flesher and his style of pickin?
CH
Started with nothing--still got most of it.
Edited by - C Hall on 10/29/2009 16:21:16
Kitt - Posted - 10/29/2009: 18:13:17
Originally posted by Chip Arnold:
quote:
Got any "anti-christian" posts that are not mean spirited?
I have one. Jesus is coming! Hide your bong!  Hey Chip, your Baptist Shout does sound great!
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