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liljoe - Posted - 10/18/2009: 00:56:02
I saw once a graphic that all the notes on a banjo fret board. Anyone know where to find something like that.
Joseph
Just nobody special
BvilleDon - Posted - 10/18/2009: 01:44:47
I would look through all the stuff available by clicking the LEARN TO PLAY tab on the left side of the screen. Additionally, you can probably find posters for sale in the classifieds under the the instructional materials part. There are also posters available from folks like Janet Davis and Jack Hatfield that contain that information. Most beginning banjo books would contain such a chart. If none of this works, you should be able to find a number of sites on the net that have the info by using a search engine, such as Google. You will find this info all over the place! If you still cannot find the info you are looking for, shoot me an email and I will find you a link. Everone is someone special, especially if they are banjo enthusiasts! Really, the info is all over. Best of luck, Joseph.
Don
BvilleDon - Posted - 10/18/2009: 02:32:49
If you know where the half steps fall in the scale, you can make your own chart. If you have the first string tuned to "D", which is very common it would go one fret at a time from D (open) D# (first), E (second), F (third), F#, G. G#, A, A#, B, C, C#, D (fret 12) and then start all over. You can call a D sharp an E flat or a G sharp and A flat, etc. A lot of that kind of stuff depends upon what you are playing and which way you are going. But the main thing, is you can answer your own question and do it on all the strings if you know how your banjo is tuned for each string and know where the half steps fall. The places I suggested in my previous post can explain it much more clearly and in greater detail. And you can try figuring it out for yourself and then use the resources to check your work to see if you are missing something.
Don
liljoe - Posted - 10/18/2009: 02:48:07
You know what. I believe your post help me to put together some holes I have had with theory and connecting it all together. I think I am able to connect scales, shapes and chords and understand how it all fits in on the fret board.
I have been watching John B's videos centered around chord shapes.
I think I getting it.
I think I am starting to see why tab is not always the best way to start to learn. Maybe tab with a huge course of theory. I have been having out with a keyboard player and he has volunteered to play with me if I brought a bottle of wine. I guess unknowingly he has forced me to learn theory. And Johns short 10 minute theory's lessons...I think has improved my banjo playing so much in the last few weeks.
http://www.bishlinebanjofans.com/ba...o-notes.html
THANKS!!!!
Next is training my ear to hear. I fear that will be a dark journey.
Just nobody special
Mumble Peg - Posted - 10/18/2009: 06:05:44
"...can I read notes? Hell, there are no notes to a banjo. You just play it."
---Back cover of "How to Play the 5-String Banjo" by Pete Seeger
BC Bill - Posted - 10/18/2009: 09:12:08
I have banjo graphics that I created in CorelDraw. If you send me your email, I will send you copies of what I have.
Bill
email me at lakesidestudio@shaw.ca
minstrelmike - Posted - 10/18/2009: 09:22:52
One, you can make your own chart (for whatever good that does you).
You really need to memorize the chromatic scale more than memorize notes on the fretboard (if you want to use this approach).
Then you just count up by notes from whatever the string is tuned to:
d Eb E F F# G...
b C C# D Eb E ...
g Ab A Bb B C...
d Eb E F F# G...
Personally, I think it's easier to learn chord location (there are 6 G chords for example) and chord relationships and that will give you the notes on the banjo in what I feel is the proper perspective for playing
Play G,C,D (1-4-1-5) at 4 different places on the neck. On the first string, the home G will be at the open string, 5th, 9th or 12th fret. Choose C and D chords close to those then figure out the G scale notes out of that position. (The sum total of all the notes of the G,,C, and D chords (1-4-5) gives you the G major scale without you having to figure it out).
Then do C,F,G chords the same way, then pretty soon you're able to
1) play in the same location on the neck and know what you are doing and
2) jump chords up and down the neck because you know that if you're playing an F-shape chord, then the next identical chord up the neck is a D shape that is 4 frets higher on the 1st string. Doesn't matter whether you're playing a D or an Eb or a Bb chord, the relationships are the same both for individual scales and for chords, but chords are more useful on the banjo.
Mike Moxcey
http://moxcey.net/mike/minstrel/index.html
BvilleDon - Posted - 10/18/2009: 22:22:32
Don't think of training your ear as a dark journey. Just having your instrument in tune and learning a few simple songs si a great place to start. The repetition of hearing the correct notes and the intervals between notes sinks in bu osmosis much of the time. AND it is much easier to learn if you keep it fun. Enjoy!
Don
gdoc - Posted - 10/18/2009: 22:41:17
I think two ways on this... 1. minstrelmike is right, learning the basic chords in all positions is way more usefull. 2. I also think seeing them in your mind is usefull too, as one day I connected the f positon with the d position.....4th string from the f position, rest upper d position... Nothing life altering, except something exploded in my mind and opened up the neck better to me.
Most important, is learn anything that is of interest to you. That's what is fun about this whole thing.
I spent several weeks learning scales one time. I happened to to to a Very Professional player, and he said "why the heck you want to waste you time doing that? You'll learn them playing songs..." Then he said ..."Go learn your chords..." He continued to tell me that you can play almost any song if you know ALL your major, minor, 6th m7th and major 7th.
Add in a few of the odd chords like dim's and such if you want.
gdoc
gdoc - Posted - 10/18/2009: 22:43:50
didn't mean to stutter there, ......... I happened to to to a Very Professional player, and..... eh em... I HAPPENED TO RUN INTO A
gdoc
Banjophobic - Posted - 10/19/2009: 07:56:30
I concur with whats been said..dont waste alot of time doing this. As a beginner, you should focus on fundamentals and 'knowing every note on the fingerbaord' isnt a 'beginner' requisite. You will eventually be able to do this, if you learn the notes as a function of chords/shapes and melody. Focus on chords and the triad notes that make them. Over time, you can fill in the blanks on the fingerboard if you so desire. Time and study.....dont rush it.
BvilleDon - Posted - 10/19/2009: 11:18:28
quote:
Originally posted by liljoe
You know what. I believe your post help me to put together some holes I have had with theory and connecting it all together. I think I am able to connect scales, shapes and chords and understand how it all fits in on the fret board.
I have been watching John B's videos centered around chord shapes.
I think I getting it.
I think I am starting to see why tab is not always the best way to start to learn. Maybe tab with a huge course of theory. I have been having out with a keyboard player and he has volunteered to play with me if I brought a bottle of wine. I guess unknowingly he has forced me to learn theory. And Johns short 10 minute theory's lessons...I think has improved my banjo playing so much in the last few weeks.
http://www.bishlinebanjofans.com/ba...o-notes.html
THANKS!!!!
Next is training my ear to hear. I fear that will be a dark journey.
Just nobody special
I am glad you are finding your way and that it helped fill some gaps for you. One of the best resources I have found for learning the chord shapes up and down the fingerboard is FRETBOARD ROADMAPS FOR THE FIVE STRING BANJO, by Fred Sokolow. I bought this book and had low expectations for it. However, the chapter entiled "The F-D-BARRE Roadmap" and subsiquent chapters put a great deal of useful info out there in very simple, understandable terms. Don't worry too much if everyone does not understand why you needed to learn the info YOU requested to fill in the gaps that YOU had. We are all different--and it sounds like you are moving along well! I hope you keep enjoying your journey! Don
Edited by - BvilleDon on 10/19/2009 11:19:53
kingfisher78 - Posted - 10/20/2009: 00:23:31
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Originally posted by liljoe
I saw once a graphic that all the notes on a banjo fret board. Anyone know where to find something like that.
Which tuning though? You would need dozens of charts. At least half a dozen for the common tunings. I have recently seen a chart like you mentioned, but I can't remember where, what tuning or what instrument. 'Earl Scruggs and the 5 string banjo' book has something like that for open G tuning. A couple of other books I have have chord positions up and down the neck. It would be real easy to make your own for whatever tuning you wish to use. Shane.
Ira Gitlin - Posted - 10/20/2009: 07:10:49
Here'a good way to start learning all the notes on the neck: Learn where the roots of your three basic chord shapes are. (The root, just in case you didn't know the term, is the note that has the same name as the chord.) In the F shape, the root is on the 1st and 4th strings; in the D shape, it's on the 2nd string; and in the bar shape, it's on the 3rd string.
This is very practical. After all, you need to know your chords, and if you're playing in more than one key (with or without a capo), before you know it you'll know where Gs, Cs, Ds, As, and Fs are all over the neck. From there, you can use your knowledge of the chromatic scale to fill in the gaps. For example, if you need to find a Bb, remember that Bb=A#, so anywhere you have an A, there'll be a Bb one fret higher.
In general you'll retain information better if you can tie it in to something you already know, instead of trying to memorize a mass of data in the abstract.
liljoe - Posted - 10/22/2009: 21:46:05
So for that last week I have taken all of your incredible suggestions. You have no idea what a resouce like BHO and you people are to me.
In this study of notes on a fret board...I have learned a few things.
I need to learn my shapes
- I can now make the D shape without looking. Not playing speed.
- I have pretty much learned where all the F shapes are and get to them pretty quick and know what chord I am in.
- The bar chord is a great chord when all else fails.
- To my ear, I like the sounds of the chords the D shape makes over the F shape.
- I need to learn each note on the board. AHAHAHAH,,,Yea right
- I know how to make Minors from the F shape by moving one Finger ---THANKS JOHN BANJOPHOBIC!!!!!
I found this website that has a great chord chart that is so well done. It helped me to understand what John was saying when he was explaining the 1 3 5! I so get it. Now I wish I could memorize it. I guess in time and practice.
So thank you guys. About six weeks ago I was quitting this instrument. I was making NO progress. Then I sat down and decided to watch a few of Banjophobic videos. He kept stressing theory, theory, theory. So I given up Tab to some degree and am learning Chord Theory. Struggling with playing by ear in time I would assume.
Once a week a couple of friends and I get together and eat dinner, drink some wine, and play some music and drink some wine. Playing with them, has brought my understanding up so much more and my enjoyment of this instrument!
Thanks!
Joseph
Just nobody special
liljoe - Posted - 10/22/2009: 21:59:02
Oh here is a great chord chart site. This helped me to get the 1 3 5. It is a great PDF document that shows all the shapes and chords with the notes on the fret board. It so helped me get it!
http://home.comcast.net/~pmuhlrad/banjochords.pdf
Joseph
Just nobody special
Chris Cooper - Posted - 10/23/2009: 14:16:13
There is an immence amount of benefit to be had from making your own chart. The object of the exercise is to eventually learn where all the notes are so you can look at the neck of your banjo and 'see' where all the notes are instinctively. There is little use for a chart if you have no interest in learning from it with a view to eventually not needing it.
I would start by just leaning where all the major notes are with banjo in hand making up your chart as you go along, plotting these major notes leaving gaps on your chart for all the sharps and flats. By 'missing out' the sharps and flats learning the fingerboard becomes a much less daunting process and once you know the locations of all the major notes you can figure out instinctively the sharps and flats as there just the ones in between.
Happy Pickin'
steve davis - Posted - 10/23/2009: 14:54:35
If you learn the key of G all over the neck(where all the G,C,D
A and Em chords are) you will then understand how all the other
keys work,basically.
gdoc - Posted - 10/24/2009: 10:02:18
OH Gawd!!!! we all forgot Roy Clarks Big Note Method! Get little sticker dots and stick them on the banjo neck! No...please don't.....just kidding.... no... please.. no...no, no, don't do it.....forget I mentioned it.....
gdoc
stormoveroklahoma - Posted - 10/24/2009: 11:42:19
like this?
Joe I just wrote you a private note about this.
Storm
bandzo - Posted - 10/25/2009: 01:56:35
stormoveroklahoma, I am sure most of us do not have a microscope and digital image enhancer that can extract readable data from nothing (like they do in CSI and other popular BS TV shows). Can you please post a link to full size image? :)
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