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rinemb - Posted - 09/23/2009:  07:16:37


I am beginning to enjoy "(Little) Liza Jane" as a song with a good banjo melody line, and a good dance tune, as well. I've been chenking out youtubes and BHo, and would appear this tune is played in several chord progressions, even almost modal-ish by some.

What chords fit you playing of this tune on verses and chorus?

Might make a good TOTW.

Brad

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majikgator - Posted - 09/23/2009:  07:29:56


i don't know about chord progrssions never thought of it as a chordy tune but there are a lot of variaions on it, i haven't found any tab for it i like and don't really care for most of the banjo versions i have heard so i am working on one that the only recording i can think of that sounds like it is by a "rock" band called NRBQ on their debut album that i no longer have and is probably not even avalble anymore. most of the versions i have heard don't adorn the melody at all and in fact sound like they are leaving notes out. so hard to explain but when played the way i am thinking i really love the tune. think of it played on harmonica and jug.

jk


Edited by - majikgator on 09/23/2009 07:32:26

tonehead - Posted - 09/23/2009:  07:40:42


Little Liza Jane


Part A
A---|A---|A---|F#m---|A---|D-A-|A-E-|A---:||

Part B
A---|A---|A---|F#m---|E---|E---|E---|A---:||


One idea.


Play it like you mean it.

minstrelmike - Posted - 09/23/2009:  08:42:29


I always just play the 1 chord with a quick 5 at the end for both parts.

Once you start adding in chords, you can go almost anyplace with that song.

I too have heard an immense variety of chords used.

If there is a version you like, then I would settle on those chords and teach them to others and make it _your_ version of the song.
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If you want to experiment, then you have three ways:
think of a general feel for the tune and plan chords around that (compositional approach), add in chords based on your knowledge of harmony (theoretical approach), or listen to a wide variety of ideas and steal from those (plagiaristic or folk-process approach)

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mrphysics55 - Posted - 09/23/2009:  09:17:49


Brad ...

In what Key do you want to play the tune?

MrP


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LEUllman - Posted - 09/23/2009:  09:45:38


There are a lot of different Liza's (that girl gets around!), but Tonehead's progression is exactly what we play around here, including the F#min.

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oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 09/23/2009:  12:19:39


I got a girl in Tennessee
Little Liza Jane
Corn is sweet and so is she
Little Liza Jane

This is the one I consider to be Little Liza Jane. The one with the F#m we learned as "Liza on the Train" but we call "Liza in A"

I don't know how to get the chords to line up above the text but I figure others do and maybe someone will do that for me.

I've always considered "Little Liza Jane" and "Goodbye Liza Jane" aka "Charlotte Town" to be "song" versions as opposed to instrumental versions. MY wife and I are constantly threatening to put together a cd called "The Liza Jane Chronicles" - one cd with as many versions as we know (about 7) and can learn (at least 4 more) and can dig up off the net (?????).


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Edited by - oldwoodchuckb on 09/23/2009 12:21:22

rinemb - Posted - 09/23/2009:  13:37:12


Mr P, I have begun pickin on this tune in A (G capo'd to A).

But I want to use this tune as a song with lots of intrumental breaks, and to encourage audience Participation on the chorus's. I amy have to change key to fit my voice?

Brad

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rinemb - Posted - 09/23/2009:  13:40:35


Here is our friend Cathy's version on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKVQXAAzxbE

Brad

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May not the incidence of success, nor the pretense of retirement-
Lessen the want of enlightenment.

majikgator - Posted - 09/24/2009:  12:02:36


Goin up on the mountain, gonna get me a load o cane, gonna make me up some molasses, gonna sweeten ol Liza Jane, o lil Liza, lil Laza Jane, o lil Laiza, lil Liza Jane - that's the verse i usually start with anyhow. always liked that tune a lot.

jk


Edited by - majikgator on 09/24/2009 12:04:22

rinemb - Posted - 09/24/2009:  12:48:06


I took what someone claimed as the original "colored" minstral words and modernized it as follows:

(LITTLE) LIZA JANE

I got a gal and you’ve got none, Little Liza Jane,
I got a gal that calls me hon, Little Liza Jane.

Chorus: Oh Eliza, Little Liza Jane; Oh Eliza, Little Liza Jane.

Come my love and live with me, Little Liza Jane,
I will take good care of thee, Little Liza Jane.

Jimmy John is layin low, Little Liza Jane,
Come and take me for your beau, Little Liza Jane.

Goin’ to throw them dice away, Little Liza Jane,
When you name that happy day, Little Liza Jane.

Bumble bee be out for sips, Little Liza Jane,
Takes my sweet-meats from your lips, Little Liza Jane.

Liza Jane please come to me, Little Liza Jane,
I’ll be happy as can be, Little Liza Jane.

Every morning when I wake, Little Liza Jane,
Smell the ham and buckwheat cakes, Little Liza Jane.

We’ll buy a house in Baltimore, Little Liza Jane,
With lots of children round the door, Little Liza Jane.

Never more from you I’ll roam, Little Liza Jane,
Bestest place is home sweet home, Little Liza Jane

Brad

You may be man enough to take my woman, but you'll never get my banjo.

May not the incidence of success, nor the pretense of retirement-
Lessen the want of enlightenment.

oldwoodchuckb - Posted - 09/24/2009:  13:09:48


Thats the song I call Little Liza Jane. This will be clumsy because I'm going to include chord changes as letters in parenthesis ( and ) since I can't get them to line up above the right words. If anyone would like I can tab it out too. I plan on tabbing a bunch of Liza tunes.

(1) I got a (5) gal and (1) you've got (5) none

(1)Little Liz(5)a (1)Jane

(1)I got a (5) gal that (1) calls me (5) hon

(1)Little Liz(5)a (1)Jane

(1)Oh little (4)Liza (1)little Liz(4)a (1)Jane, Oh little (4)Liza (1)died on (5)the (1)train

Key of D -- 1=D, 4=G, 5=A
Key of G -- 1=G, 4=C, 5=D




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Edited by - oldwoodchuckb on 09/24/2009 13:11:08

rinemb - Posted - 10/06/2009:  06:28:05


Ok, I learned this tune and 9 verses. quite a feat for this old brain. But, I am curious about the meaning of this verse-from the old ethnic minstral version:

Bumbe Bee be out for sips, (I got this line)
Take my sweet-meats from your lips. (does this imply the singer will take his lips from the jug of whisky lips?) or am I being nieve.

Brad

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May not the incidence of success, nor the pretense of retirement-
Lessen the want of enlightenment.

bluemule_77 - Posted - 10/06/2009:  07:33:23


I think the tune we play and call "Liza Jane" (or sometimes specify as J.P. Fraley's Liza Jane) might also be called "Liza Po' Gal" or "Liza Poor Gal." This is the one with the F#m in it. Dan Levenson features it in his Festival Tunes Book, and while it's a bit different than how we learned it, it is still much the same.

I did record the tune on the banjo I'm selling in the classifieds. It's there on my homepage.

BM

bluemule_77 - Posted - 10/06/2009:  07:37:01


Liza Jane

When I go a-courtin',
I'll go on the train.
When I go to marry,
I'll marry Liza Jane.

Chorus:
O Law', Liza, po' gal,
O Law', Liza Jane,
O Law', Liza, po' gal,
She died on the train.

The hardest work I ever did
Was a-brakin'on a train;
The easiest work I ever did
Was a-huggin' Liza Jane.

When I went to see her,
She met me at the door;
Her shoes and stockings in her hand,
And her feet all over the floor.

When I went to see her,
She wrung her hands and cried;
She swore I was the ugliest thing
That ever lived or died.

I ask little Liza to marry me-
What do you reckon she said?
Said she would not marry me,
If everybody else was dead.

Goin' up the mountain
To raise a patch of cane,
To make a barrel of sorghum
To sweeten up Liza Jane.

Whisky by the barrel,
Sugar by the pound,
A great big bowl to put it in,
And a spoon to stir it round.

I wish I had a needle and a thread
As fine as I could sew,
I would sew all the girls to my coat-tail,
And down the mountain I'd go.

Old corn likker's done made,
Still's tore out an'gone.
What will pore little Liza do,
When I'm took off an' gone?

Don't you weep, my darling,
Don't you weep nor cry;
I'll be back to see you
In the long old by-and-by.

You can climb the cherry tree,
And I will climb the rose;
How I love that pretty little gal,
God'lmighty knows.

Frm American Ballads and Folk Songs, Lomax
RG

vrteach - Posted - 10/06/2009:  14:31:28


quote:
Originally posted by rinemb

Ok, I learned this tune and 9 verses. quite a feat for this old brain. But, I am curious about the meaning of this verse-from the old ethnic minstral version:

Bumbe Bee be out for sips, (I got this line)
Take my sweet-meats from your lips. (does this imply the singer will take his lips from the jug of whisky lips?) or am I being nieve.



In general a sweatmeat is any food rich in sugar, often crystallized fruit. I think this is like the Cindy lyric in which Cindy is so sweet that "the honey bees swarm around her mouth"

Or the (to me) more palatable "Kisses Sweeter than Wine".

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Edited by - vrteach on 10/06/2009 14:37:50

majikgator - Posted - 10/06/2009:  18:09:45


Thanks much for all those lyrics bluemule77, i couldn't have ever remembered half of them and would have sat on my long list of things to do for who knows how long, i also didn't notice that the tune was in Festival tunes, i'll go look it up now and see how i like that one, it's probably better than my own. ----- Oh well no the Dan L. Liza Poor Gal tune won't work for me, i don't think i do the F#m thing in mine, i think it's probably just a 1,5 a whole different feel, that one is too notey for what i'm after.

jk


Edited by - majikgator on 10/06/2009 20:52:58

rendesvous1840 - Posted - 10/06/2009:  18:29:15


The version Cathy Moore plays in the clip above definately has the F#m chord implied in the melody. I don't see that she's actually holding the chord, but it picks up the minor sound. Like a lot of old songs, there are variations on Liza Jane.
Paul

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