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creekwater - Posted - 09/14/2009: 11:33:16
Ever been kicked off of a forum just for speaking your mind ? Not in a mean way or anything just telling how you feel about something. I have today. It seems there was a double standard there. Folks that posted remarks with great big words and complex sentances seemed like they could basically say whatever they wanted, but folks like me that ain't got no stellar education had to really walk a tight line. Them educated ones have some really thin skin, or it might be that they have a superior attitude, who knows ? I ain't knocking education I think it's great and there a lot of folks on here that have massive amounts of it, but I've never seen the attitude here that I saw on that forum. Everybody here gets along well I think. I was just wondering if this has been experienced by any of the rest of ya'll ?
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mike gregory - Posted - 09/14/2009: 11:45:38
No, never.
I just pasted your post into a document, and ran spell check.
You spelled everything perfectly, except one word: "sentences".
The Nuns who made sure I could spell, would have given you high marks.
I'd be interested in getng a private message from you
mgregorybanjo@core.com
describing what the subject was and what your opinion was.
Seafood - Posted - 09/14/2009: 12:06:55
I wouldn't want to be a member of any organization that would have me as a member, after all I do have standards.
Prof - Posted - 09/14/2009: 12:12:19
Some folks have lots of education, but not much in the way of smarts.
Dan
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I've got it made in the shade if the tree don't fall...
 
Brian T - Posted - 09/14/2009: 13:43:01
Don't get education and civilization mixed up.
We do not know where we are going.
Nor do most of us care.
For us, it is enough that we are on our way.
Le Matelot
Texasbanjo - Posted - 09/14/2009: 14:13:20
Education or lack there of has nothing to do with the way people act on line - some are nice, some are not.
Let's Pick!
Texas Banjo
flake - Posted - 09/14/2009: 14:55:11
I'm banned from a site that caters to fans of a particular instrument manufacturer. I got to make one post------a question. I think it struck a nerve with one of the grand poobahs, because I was just being straightforward and was completely polite.
Never did get an answer. It's been over four years and they still won't let me back......I'm heartbroken.  
mike
You can't ride home on a bowl of goat. I've always said that.
BanjoDiva - Posted - 09/14/2009: 15:16:07
quote:
Originally posted by Texasbanjo
Education or lack there of has nothing to do with the way people act on line - some are nice, some are not.
Let's Pick!
Texas Banjo
Well said Sherry. Good manners aren't necessarily correlated with education. I've seen the well heeled be very rude and the uninformed be very polite. I've also seen the reverse just as often. There is a rule in Parliment that prohibits accusing anyone of lying. Sir Winston Churchill therefore once referred to a member as having committed an act of "terminological inexactitude." Diva _____________________________________________________  RK R-80 #67 "The Black Dahlia"  www.banjoholler.com
BvilleDon - Posted - 09/14/2009: 15:30:56
In every job I ever had, I learned at least one thing, sometimes many things, from the person working there with the least formal education. There are times when opinions are not appropriate, even honest ones. I could give an honest opinion of a deceased person while his family was gathered around the casket. It would be an honest opinion, but stated at an uncalled for time and in an unfdortunate manner. If you really want us to know what was going on, tell us what you said and the circumstances surrounding your statemewnt. I have heard one side of the story. Were you breaking a stated policy or rule? Since the subject is opinions, it is difficult for me to have one without knowing the particulars.
Regardless, I know it must not feel good to have that happen to you and regret your pain, regardless of the cause.
Don
Richard Dress - Posted - 09/14/2009: 16:29:50
Don't be too intimidated by it. Just keep in mind that a present day BA is pretty much equivalent to a 1950s high school diploma. The biggest difference is in the amount money the student has to pay out.
Brother Jeeter - Posted - 09/14/2009: 17:49:21
There is a world of difference between education and intelligence. Often, the educated can’t see that distinction. The Wizard of OZ couldn’t make the Scarecrow any more intelligent, but he DID give him a Diploma.
A lot of Universities do the same thing.
Jeeter
“The pump don’t work ‘cause the vandals took the handles.”
Bob Dylan
“Don’t get beat, ever, by anything, or anyone. You might get killed, but never get beat…And never ask for nothing but God’s light to see by.”
'The Woodsman'
"Do not traverse a structure erected to afford passage over a waterway until the time of drawing nigh unto it."
"Endeavor to Persevere."
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1four5 - Posted - 09/14/2009: 18:24:27
quote:
Ever been kicked off of a forum just for speaking your mind ?
Yep. It's been awhile. I've mellowed out a lot over the years. I've also walked away from a few on my own accord. It's amazing how rotton some of the old guitar sites used to be. But nothing like compeditive sports or gaming forums. The banjo community, and the the BHO is truely one of the greatest bunch of people I've ever hung out with. Dean
Edited by - 1four5 on 09/14/2009 18:28:00
mike gregory - Posted - 09/15/2009: 06:10:50
By my calculations, Brother Jeeter is RIGHT!
ZUEG - Posted - 09/15/2009: 07:22:17
I be a thinkin', I could be a Lincoln, If i only had a brain.
ZUEG
bikebum - Posted - 09/15/2009: 07:23:19
Never been kicked off. I have stopped visiting a few due to what I considered to be a negative atmosphere created by a bunch of foul mouthed dimwits and pompous twits.
Edited by - bikebum on 09/15/2009 07:28:46
BConk - Posted - 09/15/2009: 10:20:01
quote:
Originally posted by mike gregory
No, never.
I just pasted your post into a document, and ran spell check.
You spelled everything perfectly, except one word: "sentences".
I beg to differ - in addition to "sentences" he not only misspelled "yawl" but used it in the wrong context entirely as nothing else in his diatribe has anything to do with boats.  "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Chi dorme, non piglia pesci
WildwoodFlower - Posted - 09/15/2009: 10:46:22
Don't feel bad Creekwater, I've been kicked off a forum for speaking my opinion. Some big headed banjo player in town claimed he and his band were the Best in Town and pretty much "demanded" everyone vote for him in an upcoming contest.
I told him I didn't think he or his band were the best and I would not vote for him. I caught hell from everyone and got kicked off the "forum"..Sometimes the people who run the forums aren't the sharpest crayons in the box, but they think they are "educated. JC
Edited by - WildwoodFlower on 09/16/2009 14:11:07
Sam 2 - Posted - 09/15/2009: 13:45:54
I have been warned but never kicked off
and I love the word diatribe, never heard it or used it, but I love it........<3
the <3 is a heart not a less than 3
pstroud1 - Posted - 09/15/2009: 14:00:47
I never got kicked off but thought I might when I mentioned once I started rasing a hog and a goat in my house and that I used a Dremal tool on my teeth.
Paul
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MTBanjo - Posted - 09/15/2009: 14:20:59
quote:
Originally posted by Richard Dress
Don't be too intimidated by it. Just keep in mind that a present day BA is pretty much equivalent to a 1950s high school diploma. The biggest difference is in the amount money the student has to pay out.
In terms of the experience required to get a good paying job, yes, but not in terms of what you learn or the quality of the education. Not trying to be argumentative, but that factoid is meant to show that these days, the kind of jobs that you used to be able to get with just a high school diploma, now more often than not require a bachelors degree. It's not meant to say that what people learn with a bachelors is the equivalent of what people used to know by the end of high school. I agree with above posters. People are who they are (at the time), regardless of their education. Some are nice, some aren't, and yes, some people are biased and willing to give a person who comes across as more educated the benefit of the doubt, and not extend the same courtesy to those seeming less educated. Zach
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 09/15/2009: 18:46:25
quote:
Originally posted by BConk
I beg to differ - in addition to "sentences" he not only misspelled "yawl" but used it in the wrong context entirely as nothing else in his diatribe has anything to do with boats.
Just a simple,misplaced apostrophe, marking the omission of the "ou" in the contraction of "you" and "all," but pronounced phonetically as the boat homophone.  Just messin' with you! But seriously, I really don't understand the anti-education bias of this topic. Education in almost any field of study or human endeavor is not some kind of precious "unobtanium," that is only available to the elite, but is instead readily accessible to anyone willing to put forth the effort. And all of us are relatively "uneducated" in some, or more ways, so it's nothing to be overly sensitive about. But, more specifically to the topic's question, from what I've observed, most forums are not in the habit of kicking members off for simply speaking their minds in a respectful manner. Lee Callicutt
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 09/15/2009: 18:46:42
quote:
Originally posted by BConk
I beg to differ - in addition to "sentences" he not only misspelled "yawl" but used it in the wrong context entirely as nothing else in his diatribe has anything to do with boats.
Just a simple,misplaced apostrophe, marking the omission of the "ou" in the contraction of "you" and "all," but pronounced phonetically as the boat homophone. Just messin' with you! But seriously, I really don't understand the anti-education bias of this topic. Education in almost any field of study or human endeavor is not some kind of precious "unobtanium," that is only available to the elite, but is instead readily accessible to anyone willing to put forth the effort. And all of us are relatively "uneducated" in some, or more ways, so it's nothing to be overly sensitive about. But, more specifically to the topic's question, from what I've observed, most forums are not in the habit of kicking members off for simply speaking their minds in a respectful manner. Lee Callicutt
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 09/15/2009: 18:47:05
quote:
Originally posted by BConk
I beg to differ - in addition to "sentences" he not only misspelled "yawl" but used it in the wrong context entirely as nothing else in his diatribe has anything to do with boats.
Just a simple,misplaced apostrophe, marking the omission of the "ou" in the contraction of "you" and "all," but pronounced phonetically as the boat homophone. Just messin' with you! But seriously, I really don't understand the anti-education bias of this topic. Education in almost any field of study or human endeavor is not some kind of precious "unobtanium," that is only available to the elite, but is instead readily accessible to anyone willing to put forth the effort. And all of us are relatively "uneducated" in some, or more ways, so it's nothing to be overly sensitive about. But, more specifically to the topic's question, from what I've observed, most forums are not in the habit of kicking members off for simply speaking their minds in a respectful manner. Lee Callicutt
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 09/15/2009: 18:49:45
Sorry for the multiple postings -- I was getting weird error messages from the server indicating that they were'nt being posted, making me look UNEDUCATED! And then I misplaced the apostrophe in warn't, dangit!
Lee Callicutt
Edited by - Sultans of Claw on 09/15/2009 18:51:47
banjerman - Posted - 09/15/2009: 22:19:09
Creekwater:
A longtime ago I found out something that has served me very well. Formal education has nothing to do with emotional intelligence. A doctorate only means you are a great student and have a lot of money and time. Emotional intelligence takes a longtime to learn and is more valuable than a formal education.
Wally
BConk - Posted - 09/16/2009: 07:10:13
quote:
Originally posted by Sultans of Claw
Just a simple,misplaced apostrophe, marking the omission of the "ou" in the contraction of "you" and "all," but pronounced phonetically as the boat homophone. Just messin' with you!
Ah! I see. Still - the proper term is not "y'all" or "ya'll" ..it's "yooze". "Defender of the Sacred Cod" Chi dorme, non piglia pesci
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 09/16/2009: 08:53:00
quote:
Originally posted by BConk
..it's "yooze".
Well, my "mommer'n 'em" might just as well use "you'uns!" Lee Callicutt
Gomer - Posted - 09/16/2009: 09:01:38
I for one, have a little bit going in that Education department. I just earned a post doctorate Master of laws degree which sets my education history at about 20 years not including continuing education over the last thirty years numbering in the thousands of hours.
At the most recent commencement, the main speech was delivered by the founder and chariman of the John Deere Tractor company who was being conferred with an honorary law degree. I don't own a worldwide tractor company. The president of John Deere stated that he had not grauduated from High school! Now who is more educated?
"ever searching for that special post-war / pre-submerged sound"
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Edited by - Gomer on 09/16/2009 09:17:36
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 09/16/2009: 14:56:17
quote:
Originally posted by Gomer
I don't own a worldwide tractor company. The president of John Deere stated that he had not grauduated from High school! Now who is more educated?
Is this a Koan? You are, of course -- unless we agree to define educated as owning a worldwide tractor company -- notwithstanding the fact that nothing runs like a Deere. Lee Callicutt
Gomer - Posted - 09/16/2009: 17:45:11
No Mr. Lee, not a koan, only an observation. He is a brilliant man.
Of a different event, I recall a newbie jumping in to Silvio Ferretti's stuff after Silvio gave a frank opinion about the newbie's craftsmanship of a banjo neck. I believe he called Silvio "Spaghetti boy" You never saw so many people jump in so quickly. The newbie refused to step up and was kicked off of BHO. I haven't called Signore Silvio a spaghetti boy ever since.
"ever searching for that special post-war / pre-submerged sound"
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Sultans of Claw - Posted - 09/16/2009: 18:00:57
quote:
Originally posted by Gomer
No Mr. Lee, not a koan, only an observation. He is a brilliant man.
Not disputing his intellect here -- merely answering your question within the context it was posed and trying to keep a sense of humor while doing so. Lee Callicutt
KE - Posted - 09/16/2009: 18:13:43
quote:
Originally posted by Gomer
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At the most recent commencement, the main speech was delivered by the founder and chariman of the John Deere Tractor company who was being conferred with an honorary law degree. I don't own a worldwide tractor company. The president of John Deere stated that he had not grauduated from High school! Now who is more educated?
The founder of John Deere died in 1886. Must have been quite a memorable speech! The CEO and Chairman of Deere and Co. up until last July, Bob Lane was born in Washington, D.C., in 1949, graduated with high honors from Wheaton College in Wheaton, Illinois, in 1972. He earned a Master of Business Administration degree from The University of Chicago Graduate School of Business in 1974. He spent the early part of his career in investment banking. The current President and CEO Samuel Allen is a 1975 graduate of Purdue University with a bachelor's degree in industrial management.
Edited by - KE on 09/16/2009 18:20:52
Oalbrets - Posted - 09/16/2009: 18:29:11
You hit it right on the button Wally. Nice
Poverty Ridge Bluegrass
mike gregory - Posted - 09/16/2009: 18:31:31
quote:
Originally posted by banjerman
Creekwater:
A longtime ago I found out something that has served me very well. Formal education has nothing to do with emotional intelligence. A doctorate only means you are a great student and have a lot of money and time. Emotional intelligence takes a longtime to learn and is more valuable than a formal education.
Wally
 I read a fascinating book about emotional intelligence. Mr. Creekwater is right. It ain't as easy as gettng some kind of degree, but it's more important.
Gomer - Posted - 09/16/2009: 19:02:46
Boy did I screw up that story. I guess I am not so smart after all!!
An honorary degree, the doctor of laws, was awarded to Herbert Nootbaar, the former president of H. V. Nootbaar & Co., Nootbaar is the former vice president of Ralston Purina, the former president of Taylor Milling Corp. and West Coast Wharf and Storage, and the former CEO of the National Grain and Feed Association.
"ever searching for that special post-war / pre-submerged sound"
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KE - Posted - 09/16/2009: 19:28:41
Gomer, point well made, facts notwithstanding. A lot of good observations made in this thread.
But to get back to the original poster's comments, it seems more likely a person will get the boot from a board for violating rules or behaving poorly than for being uneducated. It certainly has been the case for the BHO, but we don't know which board or the circumstances for the original poster. In short, it's probably a lack of emotional intelligence rather than intellectual intelligence that leads to grief.
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 09/17/2009: 05:37:04
quote:
Originally posted by Gomer
Boy did I screw up that story. I guess I am not so smart after all!!
Hey, at least you didn't get that weird server error message and end up posting the same message three times!  Lee Callicutt
Gomer - Posted - 09/17/2009: 08:25:18
quote:
Originally posted by creekwater
Folks that posted remarks with great big words and complex sentances seemed like they could basically say whatever they wanted, but folks like me that ain't got no stellar education had to really walk a tight line. Them educated ones have some really thin skin, or it might be that they have a superior attitude,
You know, the other side of this might be that the forum was for thin-skinned educated people who use big word and have a supeiority complex. Just a thought. PS NE, Nootbarr was in his mid 90's and sharper that any five that were graduating from the law school, regards. "ever searching for that special post-war / pre-submerged sound" ( )=====’==::
Edited by - Gomer on 09/17/2009 08:28:13
mike gregory - Posted - 09/17/2009: 09:18:30
Nootbar?
If you gotta go through life with a name that sounds like "Nutbar", you've gotta be smart, just to survive.
Anybody remember the name of guy who made Radio Shack into a multimillion-dollar organization?
Accodrding to Shel Silverstein's lyrics, Johnny "Sue" Cash turned out OK.
plunknplinkntwang - Posted - 09/17/2009: 11:18:19
I haven't been kicked off a forum, yet.....
As an inflamatory aside regarding education; a degree of common sense is generally rare amongst graduates & passing exams isn't the same as being educated.
:)
rgds
Chris
A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.
flange5st - Posted - 09/17/2009: 12:42:20
.........coming in to this thread as personal friend of "creekwater", I'd like to say that you will not find a more humble, sociable, and frank a person.......he lives as he talks and talks as he lives...............I don't know what was posted by him that caused such a stir but I can guarantee you that he is not a person bent on contempt but adds to any situation he is part of with the straightforwardness of his own personality.............if you ever get to hang around him for awhile you will understand what I'm posting here.........or you can listen to DL&Q sing" I'll Be WIth You"..........peace
......ad fontes..........
MTBanjo - Posted - 09/17/2009: 14:06:24
quote:
Originally posted by plunknplinkntwang
I haven't been kicked off a forum, yet.....
As an inflamatory aside regarding education; a degree of common sense is generally rare amongst graduates & passing exams isn't the same as being educated.
:)
rgds
Chris
Totally inflammatory!! No need to go off the deep end one way or the other. To say that common sense is rare among (college? highschool? what?) graduates is completely wrong. Common sense is learned regardless of what people say, and I will agree that common sense is very often learned best outside of the classroom, but people are people, (and educated people do get out of the classroom...can't live there) educated or not, and I'd be willing to place a bet that the percentage of people out there with no common sense is the same with educated people as it is with uneducated people. Chips on shoulders aside, people are who they are based largely on their life experiences, however those experiences were gained. There are highly intelligent people who never graduated high shool, and there are highly intelligent people with PHDs, and there are totally dull people who fit in both those categories as well. There are highly educated people with superior attitudes because of their education, and there are people without education that have superior attitudes against educated people, so I say again...people are people. Zach
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 09/17/2009: 16:06:52
I thought some of you might get a kick out of this quote I came across while I was at work today:
"Education is when you read the fine print. Experience is what you get if you don't."
Pete Seeger
Lee Callicutt
dgill - Posted - 09/17/2009: 17:30:55
I have learned that perception is or can be an evil thing and some people can jump to conclusions and or make judgements about what they think they know or understand.
When this happends it is caused by emotional thinking than rational thinking, which can cause quick reaction. I think most of us know what can happen when we react rather than respond.
And in other cases some people just intend to cause pain to others and some how find enjoyment in it.
This is from a sincere american redneck with a high school education only. Now I have given others the chance to judge me and I am sure that some will. That is why we are all cut from a different cloth. Interesting topic and I enjoyed others point of view. Thanks for shareing them.
BvilleDon - Posted - 09/18/2009: 00:14:04
Mike, was the book you read EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE? I think I still have that book, from back in the mid 90s. A great deal of it had to do with how tiny the frontal lobes are in lizard brains--they have hardly any cells devoted to processing information and mainly just react to stimuli. Humans have much larger frontal lobes. thus a greater capacity for processing information in a reflective manner. Much of the point of the book is that many humans have hard wired their brains to short circuit the frontal lobes so that they more or less act like lizards, reacting without reflection. It can be an endless loop, the less an individual's frontal lobes are involved in decision making, the more hard wired they become to act that way in the future.
It was a fascinating book and was a best seller for a time. I think there is a lot of truth in it. I have not read it ihn quite a while, but I think much of the text was backed up by medical/scientific investigations. It also led me to wonder if an old friend from high school days was correct, in that he believed (and still does) that
the earth is controlled by ALIENS WHO ARE LIZARDS DISGUISED AS PEOPLE!!! Seems like he even use EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE to back up his beliefs.
Now I will be waiting for all the pictures to be posted from old movies of lizards taking over the earth!!!!
BvilleDon - Posted - 09/18/2009: 00:21:01
I don't know the guy's name, but while the dean of the business school at Harvard, he said, "MBAs are often wrong, but seldom unsure." An old professor had that posted on his office door years ago.
Don
BvilleDon - Posted - 09/18/2009: 00:25:03
For some reason, I feel in the mood to pick "Don't Rise Above Your Learnin'"--I could always relate to that song.
Don
BanjoDiva - Posted - 09/18/2009: 06:27:43
quote:
Originally posted by banjerman
Creekwater:
A doctorate only means you are a great student and have a lot of money and time.
No Wally, it doesn't. If you think that's all it takes, then get back to me after you have finished one. Don't mean to be elitist here, but I worked damn hard for my education. Didn't have money then and don't have it now. Wasn't a great student when I started but I was when I finished, and "only" being a great student is quite an accomplishment in my opinion. As far as time, I never could find more than 24 hours in a day just like anyone else. I managed it by going to college for 12 straight years without taking a summer off. Skipped most holidays with my family and pulled countless all nighters. The last 5 of those years I worked full time while finishing my education. Amazingly, I happen to have a decent EQ and common sense to boot. Enough so not to engage in slinging stereotypes of either the educated or the uneducated. Diva _____________________________________________________
Edited by - BanjoDiva on 09/18/2009 06:30:12
Sultans of Claw - Posted - 09/18/2009: 06:35:38
quote:
Originally posted by BanjoDiva
"only" being a great student is quite an accomplishment in my opinion.
I think we can all agree that Earl has been quite the "student" of the banjo! Lee Callicutt Page: 1 2 3
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