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cannibal4 - Posted - 08/14/2009:  15:55:10


With as many members we have here, I think it would be neat to put up a poll listing the 5 nominee's for banjo player of the year and see who we'd pick , and then see who actually wins.

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Edited by - cannibal4 on 08/14/2009 15:55:34

banjotef - Posted - 08/14/2009:  16:17:21


I read the nominees, I think it will come down to either Steve Martin, or Ron Stewart. Steve's great, but as far as straight-ahead, hard drivin' blood & guts bluegrass banjo, Ron definitely gets my vote!

Go down pickin''

jfb - Posted - 08/14/2009:  18:05:51


I would vote for Ron Stewart..heard him at the Red White and Bluegrass in Morganton this year..hes a terrific picker for sure...

skevincampbell - Posted - 08/14/2009:  20:53:53


I'd vote for Ron Stewart, too.

Kevin

flake - Posted - 08/14/2009:  22:35:55


Kristin Scott Benson


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davr - Posted - 08/15/2009:  04:45:07


I like Ron Stewart's fiddlin' (still waiting for his Homespun video on 1st Generation BG fiddlle..) but I second flake's nomination for Kristin Scott Benson. She was at the MBOTMA festival I attended last week. Her playing was FLAWLESS, to the point where it seemed to be simple and effortless! IMO, that's the hallmark of great pickin'!!!

dave


Edited by - davr on 08/15/2009 04:46:30

Ray Soulard - Posted - 08/15/2009:  06:28:37


I think I'd vote for Kristin too.

Deaf David - Posted - 08/15/2009:  06:53:30


I like Steve Martin's CD and appreciate what he has done for popularizing the music, but that he is nominnated for player of the year by the IBMA when there are so many banjo players that are so much better, and definitely more innovative, is just an indication that IBMA is all about the commercial and turning its back on the music. Just my opinion.

I vote for I'd be fully convinced the right person got it if it was either Stewart or Benson.

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stelling man - Posted - 08/15/2009:  07:00:52


Ron Stewart for sure..

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warpdrive - Posted - 08/15/2009:  07:25:33


deaf david, right oh, steve martin is in the same catagory as roy clark, he's not a banjo picker(nor are some of the others that some not all of the ho members list). steve martin, like roy clark and others like him, is an entertainer, and a very talanted one at that, but he's had some spoon fed lessons from some very good banjo pickers that he has befriended over the years, john hartford and john mchuen of the dirt band, but being able to buy your way into bluegrass doesn't make you a banjo picker, and for me, i have higher standards than that, ronnie stewart should be the ibma banjo picker of the year.

good picking

Flying Eagle - Posted - 08/15/2009:  07:44:42


I would certainly vote for Kristin or Ron over Steve Martin. The IBMA banjo player of the year should be an actual bluegrass musician, IMO.

One other note - Steve Martin was taking lessons from Charles Wood in recent years. Charles is the local super-picker here in upstate SC, an amazing player to be sure. You might remember him from the Letterman show a few years back - he was the one who had a break that was notably different from the rest. I suspect that it was Steve Martin's influence that got Charles on the show, and deservedly so.

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moses - Posted - 08/15/2009:  07:49:16


I agree with Flying Eagle. I think Steve Martin is a good banjo player but he's certainly not a member of the bluegrass band establishment. I would vote Ron Stewart. I think he's the best right now. All the others mentioned are great, but Ron's the man.

pdbanjo - Posted - 08/15/2009:  08:34:14


I agree Steve Martin should not be considered in the running for IBMA banjo player of the year but as an industry icon he must be reckoned with. I hope for the sake of traditional BG that "HE" makes a personal request and not allow his star status to be used to supercede others whose dedication and abilities far outweigh his and are more deserving of a coveted IBMA award. If he chooses, he should continue to promote BG because the genre needs all the help it can, especially in these tough economic times. After all, he is a pretty decent banjo player and his ability to promote the banjo goes without saying. How many of us would love to be able to jam with any of those pickers he has even if he needs to pay them to do so. If I had the $$ I'd consider paying Tony, Bela or Earl to come to my house for a little pickin party. What the heck, $$ don't make you a better player but playing with better players may help some once the anxiety tremors subside.

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kyblugrass - Posted - 08/15/2009:  08:43:11


Roy could pick circles around Steve. Don’t get me wrong, I like Steve’s music, just a different flavor than Roy’s. Ok, Back to the IBMA. Kristen would defiantly get my nod.

quote:
Originally posted by warpdrive

deaf david, right oh, steve martin is in the same catagory as roy clark, he's not a banjo picker(nor are some of the others that some not all of the ho members list). steve martin, like roy clark and others like him, is an entertainer, and a very talanted one at that, but he's had some spoon fed lessons from some very good banjo pickers that he has befriended over the years, john hartford and john mchuen of the dirt band, but being able to buy your way into bluegrass doesn't make you a banjo picker, and for me, i have higher standards than that, ronnie stewart should be the ibma banjo picker of the year.

good picking



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dmiller - Posted - 08/15/2009:  10:37:23


I like Steve's music, but his forte is more of a comedian than banjo picker.
Perhaps he's trying to change that, I don't know, He needs his own category.
Perhaps "Banjo Picking Comedian of the Year" award, or something like that.
But he'd lose that one too, since (without a doubt) Mike Gregory would be on the same list!



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stelling man - Posted - 08/15/2009:  10:56:21


Dave, If they had a " banjo picking comedian of the year" award, you are absolutly right about Mike winning It, MIKE SNIDER, The true banjo picking comedian..

STELLING MAN

dmiller - Posted - 08/15/2009:  11:15:54


quote:
Originally posted by stelling man

Dave, If they had a " banjo picking comedian of the year" award, you are absolutly right about Mike winning It, MIKE SNIDER, The true banjo picking comedian..

STELLING MAN




Stelling Man. I'd forgotten all about Mike Snider!! Thanks for the reminder!


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banjojason88 - Posted - 08/15/2009:  12:57:12


My vote would be for JD, but some call me old fashioned.

RB3Deering - Posted - 08/15/2009:  18:03:54


I would vote for Kristin Scott-Benson. So what if she won it last year, she deserves it again. If she won, would she be the only person to win the award in two consecutive years?

Wesley Lewis
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desert rose - Posted - 08/15/2009:  19:17:45


No I dont believe so.

I think Barry Abernathey has done it as well as others although cant remember years exactly. JD most likely, for some reason Tom Adams sticks in my mind as well?

Players seem to ride a wave of popularity and win for a couple years then someone else get into the groove

Mike Cleveland has won fiddle player a number of times

Scott

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Edited by - desert rose on 08/15/2009 19:19:23

Clark - Posted - 08/15/2009:  19:28:21


I like Steve's CD better than KSB as far as recent banjo recordings.
No, Mills,Sammy and, Adams have won in consecutive years if my memory serves me correctly.

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silvioferretti - Posted - 08/16/2009:  04:46:46


Kevin, what you say about Steve Martin being spoonfed by some very good banjo players is not true. He has played banjo since before he started his acting career, and he actually grew up with some of the pickers you mention. However, I do agree that - from what I can hear on recordings - he's not in the same league as the other nominees by any means.

I'm sorry I haven't followed the scene very much in the past year, so my vote would mean very little. But the banjo player that has had the heaviest rotation on my car and home stereos is always the same: Crowe.

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Don Borchelt - Posted - 08/16/2009:  09:30:36


David wrote: "that he is nominnated for player of the year by the IBMA when there are so many banjo players that are so much better, and definitely more innovative, is just an indication that IBMA is all about the commercial and turning its back on the music."

Sometimes a nomination is itself the award. It is way to recognize someone for an important contribution, even though everyone knows they are not going to win. Steve has certainly used his own popularity in recent years to promote bluegrass banjo and other bluegrass pickers. It has not been all about Steve, and I think that has been very admirable. I certainly think he deserves some credit, and the nomination may be the IBMA's way of doing it.



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Edited by - Don Borchelt on 08/16/2009 13:24:49

Deaf David - Posted - 08/16/2009:  16:17:36


Don, I hope you're right. I've always admired Steve Martin, even back when he was just emerging as a stand up comedian and had not broke into the whole movie thing. He was a philosophy major, after all, and when I was in grad school in philosophy the idea of this guy doing comedy was big news. We all followed him closely. The banjo was a big part of his schtick from the beginning, and I remember thinking back then that, "wow, this guys pretty good." That was back when I was a fan of bluegrass and banjo but had never seriously thought about learning to play. Steve Martin was the secret hero of every philosophy major!

I have no idea when he started playing banjo, but I know is not a late comer. He just isn't in the same league as some of the remarkable people out there today. I've also noticed, and this may be just my bias, that when he is on the talk show circuit doing his banjo gig he is very serious and seems to resist any effort to portray him as a comedian or actor. I am proud for that. After Deliverance, associating the instrument with comedy is not what we need! (Even though it is a funny instrument--I mean, its round. It's a snare drum with a neck. And it started out as a gourd. What's up with that?)

After listening to the Earl Scruggs Family & Friends, Live at the Ryman, I'm surprised he didn't nminated for something. Even if its just dogged persistance. I was amazed at how fresh he sounded. I guess nominating Earl for an IBMA award would be like bringing him down to mortal status.


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Edited by - Deaf David on 08/16/2009 16:19:26

bluegrassboy - Posted - 08/16/2009:  16:43:03


i think kenny ingram deserves it more than anyone!!!

Ray Soulard - Posted - 08/16/2009:  16:49:35


Regarding Steve Martin's nomination - let's give the guy a break. Most of us aren't professional musicians - we have day jobs. We're truck drivers, accountants, sales people, engineers, dentists and doctors, electricians, carpenters, etc. How would any of us feel if people said about us, "you can't take his/her banjo playing seriously, he/she is a plumber or landscaper"?

I'm not suggesting that Steve should win over JD, Kristin or Ron. But I am saying we should respect the guy and his enduring love for the instrument. I think someone correctly pointed out that Steve was playing banjo long before he achieved notoriety as a comedian.

Ray

obxpix - Posted - 08/16/2009:  16:51:01


As evidenced by some of the nominees and even winners in the last few years, it isn't about the best banjo player.....If so, noone could ever convince me that a top 5 should not have Jim Mills on it....It has a lot to do with popularity and what the artist has done this past year....And FWIW, I agree with the poster above....I would take Steve's CD 10 to 1 over KSB's......For someone to have written 14 out of 15 Banjo tunes on a banjo CD at the quality that they are at, I will have NO problem if Steve wins this year...
As a matter of fact, he has my vote (if I can't write in Mills)

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Tommy5 - Posted - 08/16/2009:  20:03:48


Yes the award could be considered as the player who contributed the most to bg music the past year. Martin plays a sort of melodic style, his fingers move around too much for purist with his pinky plant, but if he wins i won't hold it against him or even get angry we can't all play 8 hours a day for eight years to beome banjo gods.There is something to be said for the renaisance man.


Edited by - Tommy5 on 08/16/2009 20:04:58

Deaf David - Posted - 08/16/2009:  21:14:02


If Steve Martin wins, I won't hold it against him at all. I will definitely hold it against the IBMA. Most of us do have day jobs. Most of us would never consider being nominated for Banjo Player of the Year.

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granderman - Posted - 08/17/2009:  03:40:37


what i would like is a show case with Jimmy Mills , Ron Stewert , Ron Block, and jens kruger sitting there playing some stuff , i think that would be very enlightening . how much fun would that be . Come on kevin put that together you will back that theater out !

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Edited by - granderman on 08/17/2009 03:41:38

desert rose - Posted - 08/17/2009:  05:24:05


David

Why on earth would you hold it against ibma?

They have NOTHING to do with choosing the nominees or the winners AT ALL by law

The voting membership controls all this, the selection goes thru about four ballots first nominees, then three votes to narrow it down and the votes are compiled by a Certified Public Accountant and kept secret from everyone including ibma until all is counted.

IBMA is kept out of it legally until the count is certified, just like the Oscars and Emmys

Only voting professional members of ibma are sent ballots and the ballots are returned to the Accountant and never seen by anyone at ibma

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TR Dockery - Posted - 08/17/2009:  05:47:45


My vote would go to Ron Block, hands down; can't believe he isn't a nominee. It is nice to see the way bluegrass banjo is played get rewritten once in awhile. Listen to his tracks on Sierra Hull's "Secrets" CD, especially the tune "Smashville"--innovative, yet driving as anything else he has done. Add to that the wealth of tips he gave in the instructional DVD he did with John Lawless at Acutab; arguably the best instructional DVD to come out---since the last Acutab DVD!Contributions to the genre as a mentor-even at large-to the community of those aspiring to master this instrument counts for something in this award, too.

BTW, here is the list from the IBMA website:

INSTRUMENTAL PERFORMERS OF THE YEAR
BANJO
v Kristin Scott Benson
v J.D. Crowe
v Steve Martin
v Sammy Shelor
v Ron Stewart


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Edited by - TR Dockery on 08/17/2009 05:54:15

banjoronny - Posted - 08/17/2009:  06:01:55


Can anybody be nominated

Ron Wells

desert rose - Posted - 08/17/2009:  07:37:27


Quoting from the 2009 ibma Official Awards Nominations Ballot for instrumental performers catagory

"These awards are for artists who, on recorded and/ or in-person performance during the specified time period, have shown an extra- ordinary mastery of their instruments."

If someone can fit that requirement, they can be nominated

The final nominee ballot contains 46 banjo players. This is the 46 people who got the most open noinations

The banjo player list is by far the largest the mandolin list has 35 mandolin players listed as the final nominees

Scott

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Edited by - desert rose on 08/17/2009 07:40:59

Banjocoltrane - Posted - 08/17/2009:  08:13:05



"These awards are for artists who, on recorded and/ or in-person performance during the specified time period, have shown an extra- ordinary mastery of their instruments."

If someone can fit that requirement, they can be nominated
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If that's the case then Steve Martin shouldn't be nominated. He doesn't possess any "extra-ordinary" mastery of the banjo, regardless of what he has done for bluegrass this year.

I think a more accurate description is as follows:
"The members of IBMA think you possess some mastery of the instrument......or they liked your album"

Really, the ONLY requirement is whether or not the MEMBERS of IBMA like you....because they are the ones doing the voting.




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Westvon - Posted - 08/17/2009:  11:19:37


quote:
Originally posted by Banjocoltrane


"These awards are for artists who, on recorded and/ or in-person performance during the specified time period, have shown an extra- ordinary mastery of their instruments."

If someone can fit that requirement, they can be nominated
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If that's the case then Steve Martin shouldn't be nominated. He doesn't possess any "extra-ordinary" mastery of the banjo, regardless of what he has done for bluegrass this year.

I think a more accurate description is as follows:
"The members of IBMA think you possess some mastery of the instrument......or they liked your album"

Really, the ONLY requirement is whether or not the MEMBERS of IBMA like you....because they are the ones doing the voting.




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Right on Jody!!!!!!!

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banjorsj - Posted - 08/17/2009:  12:37:01


Sammy Shelor

TownBranch - Posted - 08/17/2009:  14:35:11


Steve Martin = Comedian

Ron Stewart = 2009 IBMA Banjo Champ

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lethegoodtimesroll - Posted - 08/17/2009:  15:33:27


I vote for Bob Black........

Deaf David - Posted - 08/17/2009:  16:07:33


quote:
Originally posted by desert rose

David

Why on earth would you hold it against ibma?

They have NOTHING to do with choosing the nominees or the winners AT ALL by law




Desert Rose, I wasn't referring to IBMA as a corporate entity, I was referring to the whole membership who does vote. And, "hold it against them" is not an accurate statement of what I meant to say. I mean, I would be disappointed in them for that choice. I certainly couldn't fault Steve Martin for how the voting membership behaves, is what I meant.

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wannabepicker - Posted - 08/17/2009:  16:13:18


I've got a vote, and the way I approached my ballot -- since the award is given every year -- is performance over the course of the year.

Not all of my Final Five picks made it, and I definitely had Mills in the mix.

I do think work released in the year matters, but that is just my opinion. Each voter can take into account whatever they please --- what is accomplished over a career, who is the best at live shows, etc. To me, taking the "career accomplishments" into too much account, how would they not just had it to Earl or JD every year for life?

Anytime you pick "the best" there is always going to be disagreement ... which is part of what makes it fun.



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HookedOnBluegrass - Posted - 08/17/2009:  17:35:12


I would have to vote twice. Shelor and Stewart. They are both great great musicians.

Practice makes "better".

desert rose - Posted - 08/17/2009:  17:38:59


Jody

Sour grapes

Scott

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shclandler - Posted - 08/18/2009:  01:25:41


I think Ron Stewart deserves it; he is playing banjo with today's Bluegrass Album Band, and he has it all IMO.

Josh

Retropicker - Posted - 08/18/2009:  04:18:24


Cant say it any better than that. Fame and $$$.

quote:
Originally posted by Deaf David

I like Steve Martin's CD and appreciate what he has done for popularizing the music, but that he is nominnated for player of the year by the IBMA when there are so many banjo players that are so much better, and definitely more innovative, is just an indication that IBMA is all about the commercial and turning its back on the music. Just my opinion.

I vote for I'd be fully convinced the right person got it if it was either Stewart or Benson.

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strang - Posted - 08/18/2009:  06:46:24


quote:
Originally posted by stelling man
Ron Stewart for sure..


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Gary Griffin - Posted - 08/18/2009:  09:45:07


My question is: Why hasn't Kenny Ingram already gotten it?
He sure deserves it!

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sammys - Posted - 08/18/2009:  10:22:47


Good for Steve!

Couchie - Posted - 08/18/2009:  13:43:33


Am I to understand that Kenny Ingram has never won IBMA banjo player of the year?

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Westvon - Posted - 08/18/2009:  13:58:47


quote:
Originally posted by desert rose

Jody

Sour grapes

Scott

Desert Rose Musical Instruments
www.desertrosebanjo.com





I do agree with Jody on this point insofar as he's pointing out that there is nothing about Steve Martin's banjo playing that really stands out when you place him side-by-side with the REAL masters of the instrument. He's nowhere near the league of Jim Mills, Sammy Shelor, Ron Stewart, Ron Block, J.D. Crowe, Kristen Scott Benson, or any number of other greats. He's comedian/actor first, banjo player second, yet there are people in the hangout here that can out play him. No slap at Steve Martin, just a recognition that many people are mainly seeing his comedic fame through it all.

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