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twothphry - Posted - 06/25/2009:  14:22:14


Has anybody used Band-in-a-Box as a back-up to learning banjo tunes? If so any suggestions?

"Don''t pick it, it''ll never heal"

Glenn Tate - Posted - 06/25/2009:  21:33:17


I use it a lot. Are you having a problem with it? Some just use the MIDI songs and play along with them. I personally added and like the bluegrass rhythem pack, which converts the instruments to real bluegrass instruments instead of MIDI chipmonk insruments. You can change the speed of any song without changing the key, or you can also change the key if you want to. It is a very good practice aid as far as I am concerned.

It comes with a bunch of MIDI songs, and you can find a whole lot more on the internet, that you can download for free.

"Opportunities are never lost. Someone will pick up the ones you miss!"
"Your never lost, if you don''t care where you are."

Glenn

fixdent - Posted - 06/26/2009:  05:24:07


Do a search on this forum about band in a box....there is tons of material about it. It's great.

--
Gordon

jharbourmusic - Posted - 06/26/2009:  05:40:17


Never used, but have always wanted to.

Jake

Texasbanjo - Posted - 06/26/2009:  05:43:31


Band in a Box is a great teaching/learning software. You can put chords to any song in it and play the song at any speed and in any key. You can loop songs to play however many times you want them to play. If you want to add intros and 1st and 2nd endings, codas, repeats, etc., you can do that, too, but you don't have to.

I use BIAB daily for practice and have for many years.

BIAB will definitely help you with your timing because if your timing is off, BIAB will continue its backup and you'll be behind (G). It will also help you in learning to kick off a song, how to come in on a break at the end of a song, etc.

If you purchase it, just get the bare bones software, you won't need and the bells and whistles if you're going to do bluegrass.

And, you can download over 200 backup songs FREE to get you started.


Let''s Pick!
Texas Banjo

ac5aa - Posted - 06/26/2009:  12:54:31


I bought BIAB last year along with the bluegrass pack from Janet, but each time I sit down to try it out I'm bamboozled by its difficulty. Is there a "quick learn" place on the web where I can learn how to quickly find backup for something like Bill Cheatham or other tune that I may be working on? I'd really like to make use of it, but don't have hours to try to figure it out from the manual and then start building song backup.... For some reason I thought buying the bluegrass pack would include some of the most popular songs already set up adn ready to go. Help!

Duane C.
Sullivan Greenbrier, Gibson RB-250

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 06/26/2009:  13:40:06


First and foremost - I am not an expert on BIAB. But, I have had some time to figure out a few things about it and I really like the software. I had the earlier versions and used it quite a bit with all the 'midi' sounds. About a month ago I got the Real Tracks and updated to the 2009 version of BIAB. I have found BIAB to be an incredible learning software. I agree that initallly it is overwhelming - reminds me of a time I saw the instrumentation inside an aircraft - but, it gets better if you take it in small portions and learn a little at a time.

I do not know of any bluegrass (other than 'midi') songs you load into the software. My experience with the Real Tracks is for ME to punch in the chords to the songs..... that in itself is a learning experience... you gotta figure out the chord structure.... you need that learning experience anyway. Then you select the bluegrass track you want to hear.... there are dozens of different mixes .... for example - banjo emphasis, fiddle emphasis.... all kinds of bluegrass tracks. You need to understand - these tracks are playing chords but those chords provide the structure / back-up for you to play the lead... the solo... you will be the 'main dude' on the banjo! I have mentioned before in another thread - the backup from these artists is like having a bluegrass band for backup in your living room. (Also, there are hundreds of other kinds of tracks...jazz, blues, country, etc). You choose what you want for BACK-UP... those tracks are played by professional musicians and the sounds are beautiful.

When I was in the business world as CPA and I would teach folks to work a spreadsheet on computer - I would teach them to start with a very, very simple worksheet and enter the data and a formula or two and then save the file and print it. That simple spreadsheet experience could then be expanded to giant, useful spreadsheets...

The same concept applies to BIAB: Start with a very simple song you want to play along with - "In The Gravel Yard" ...I don't think songs get any simpler than that.... or start with "Mountain Dew" ... or "Skip To My Lou"... Enter the chords for the song into BIAB, select a Bluegrass track (if you have Real Tracks) - save the song in your BIAB files with the name of the song and you are there. If you don't have Real Tracks.. you will get a 'midi' track and you can mute some of the instruments you don't want to hear and feature other instruments you want to hear.

Here is another hint and one I use from time to time... you bought the product so call the 800 number on the BIAB package.. those folks up in Canada have helped me to the next step many times and have always answered my questions very well. I suppose someone might think I could work through the tutorial - use the very extensive 'help screen function' - and /or 'Read The Manual" but folks, that ain't gonna happen with me.

Hope this helps.

Phil
Katy, Tx

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)


Edited by - Kemo Sabe on 06/26/2009 14:11:53

stevena - Posted - 06/26/2009:  17:07:50


What is the advantage of using BIAB over the tabledit? You can slow it down, some of the sounds are close to real plus you can glance at the tab if you need to? Most songs are available now.

Steve

What''s the best or fastest way to tune a banjo?...wire cutters

fixdent - Posted - 06/26/2009:  20:29:30


Playing along with tabedit...you are just keeping up with a bunch of notes....

Playing with BIAB, you are keeping up with a band.

--
Gordon

Glenn Tate - Posted - 06/27/2009:  19:58:29


There is a "Bluegrass Pack" and a "Bluegrass Real Tracks," that you can buy for BIAB. They are not very expensive, probably no more than what you would spend for fuel to drive to a jam session. The Bluegrass pack has a bunch of familiar "jam" songs in “MGU” format. You just click "open" in the "File" menu, go to the folder with your songs in it, and choose one. There are also some 200 tracks you can download from the internet. BIAB tunes are a "MGU" file, and some on the internet are “SGU“ files. However, I have downloaded regular midi files and play them with BIAB and they play fine.

Some don't bother buying the "Bluegrass Real Tracks" and just play the songs with the midi instruments. Personally, I like the "Bluegrass Real Tracks" which converts the instruments to real bluegrass instruments. It gives me the true flavor of a jam session. You just select the song and open it. Then choose the "Bluegrass Real Tracks" option for the "style" used to play the song. When you click the "Play" button, it takes about 30-45 seconds to convert the midi tracks to real bluegrass tracks. Then like magic, you have a bluegrass band setting in the room with you. You have the option to mute any track, to omit the instrument you are filling in for, by clicking on the instruments at the top of the screen. Keep muting instruments until you find the one you want to leave muted and un-mute the others.

BIAB is not the easiest program to start with, but in a short time, you will have it figured out enough to play along with like in a jam session. It really has a lot more options available, but I haven’t needed them yet.

"Opportunities are never lost. Someone will pick up the ones you miss!"
"Your never lost, if you don''t care where you are."

Glenn

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 06/27/2009:  20:12:44


Glenn

I am familiar with the 'Real Tracks' - thay re great. However, I am not familiar with what you are calling the Bluegrass pack. Are the songs from the Bluegrass pack played in 'midi' stuff or can you play those songs with REAL music tracks??

Phil

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)

dkmarshall - Posted - 06/28/2009:  04:18:52


quote:
Originally posted by twothphry

Has anybody used Band-in-a-Box as a back-up to learning banjo tunes? If so any suggestions?



Take a look at my website www.virtualbluegrassband.com . There are over 200 back up arrangements downloadable for free.

Dave


http://www.virtualbluegrassband.com
http://www.oldyellerdog.com

Glenn Tate - Posted - 06/28/2009:  06:00:14


Phil

I ordered the bluegrass pack when I ordered BIAB. When you download the CD, the songs are put in a folder "BGGAKE." The file extention is "MGU," but they are indeed a type of midi file, and sound like midi instruments when you play them, although they are well done midi files. Go to PG Music Inc. and look for "Bluegrass MIDI Fakebook."
You can play them either as they are in midi, or you can play them with the bluegrass real tracks style. I am playing regular midi files with the bluegrass real tracks.

"Opportunities are never lost. Someone will pick up the ones you miss!"
"Your never lost, if you don''t care where you are."

Glenn


Edited by - Glenn Tate on 06/28/2009 06:02:35

lynn1 - Posted - 06/28/2009:  06:58:32


The literature tells how great this software is, and it is. Trouble is, the implication is that it isn't that hard. When I tried it for the first time, did I ever feel like a dummy! I then (tried) to read the directions (book) and quickly fell asleep. I am so glad to see this post and the ideas. I too have the Bluegrass pak. Cool. I feel like I really have something great and can't use it. I am going to make another "run" at it. The BHO surely is a good place!

Glenn Tate - Posted - 06/28/2009:  11:47:23


I am by no means an expert with BIAB either. BUT, I WILL BE GLAD TO HELP ANYONE I CAN. If I don't know the answer I won't try to make you think I know, when I don't. I will either find out and give you the answer, or tell you I don't know. There a lots of things to know when building your own songs, such as intro's, ending's, and unusual timing patterns, etc. I do build my own songs, but I keep it pretty simple.

You can either post in the Hangout, or email me.

"Opportunities are never lost. Someone will pick up the ones you miss!"
"Your never lost, if you don''t care where you are."

Glenn

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 06/28/2009:  15:59:00


You may have already covered this - so, my apology if I am repeating what you have already posted - but, today I discovered that the 'midi' files can very easily be replaced with bluegrass tracks (or any other type of track from Real Tracks you choose) with two simple clicks of the mouse. You just download the file you want and click on 'kill the melody' - this kills the 'midi' and saves the chords. Then you click on any style of music you want from Real Tracks - there are hundreds and hundreds of tracks of which there are many dozens of Bluegrass choices (mandolin focus, banjo, fiddle - lots of mix choices). Now when you save that song it is the bluegrass instruments you selected.

I quickly found a back-up bluegrass track (with no banjo) that I am using for 'Careless Love'. The reason I selected a track with no banjo - I have now added my banjo to the recording and my vocals...

I have finally gotten to where I wanted to be when I started this music journey... at least on cut one for one song and I absolutely believe there is room for improvement on that cut! Now, where's that list with those other 500 songs??

Phil

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)


Edited by - Kemo Sabe on 06/28/2009 16:26:34

bones - Posted - 06/28/2009:  16:25:46


i had a beginning student once that got biab and his picking actually got worse. he wasn't ready for that speed yet . i believe it to be a good product however and keep intending to buy it myself. may just do it now because of this thread. the "real tracks" is a very enticing choice for me. for those days when all my roudy friends have settled down. :-)

For Fun and Frolic the One and Only "Mr. Bones" and his trusty 5 string Banjo !

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 06/28/2009:  16:29:30


Speed is variable... goes down to 30 bpm (Sloths move faster)...and up to 500 bpm (space ships move slower in orbit)! it is adjustable in increments of 5 bpm with right click and 1 bpm with left click. At those extreme tempos - lowest and highest - I do not believe any song is recogniazble.

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)


Edited by - Kemo Sabe on 06/28/2009 16:40:34

bones - Posted - 06/28/2009:  16:40:00


thnks for the info i didn't check it out-- he just told me he was using it at home. probably had it set too fast. that seems to be one of the most frequent play/learning issues . playing faster than your ready or able to play. mixed with playing part of a song faster just because it is more familiar or easier.

For Fun and Frolic the One and Only "Mr. Bones" and his trusty 5 string Banjo !

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 06/28/2009:  16:43:24


It is absolutely overwhelming when you first see it. I had a BIAB (unopened) here at my computer here for a year until one day Angie Sumpter showed me how to use it (at the end of one of Will Huckaby's jam workshops )when I went to her 'Pickin Place'...over in Dayton, Tx. BIAB has a learning curve but is a great product in my estimation. I think I might suggest to Angie that she might consider having a workshop on BIAB - what do you think?

(..& no...I taught CPA college courses for 5 yrs...I don't do teaching stuff anymore!)

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)


Edited by - Kemo Sabe on 06/28/2009 17:11:10

fixdent - Posted - 06/28/2009:  18:09:48


quote:
I think I might suggest to Angie that she might consider having a workshop on BIAB - what do you think?


That would be a great idea....

--
Gordon

jimbowe - Posted - 06/28/2009:  19:44:20


I purchased BIAB a couple of weeks ago. I have already experienced a tune up in my timing just playing with it. People complain about the learning curve. What about the learning curve to learn to play the banjo?

Anything worth doing is going to be a struggle sometimes.

Cheers!

Jimbowe

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" -- Einstein

Brian T - Posted - 06/28/2009:  19:54:04


I just went to the BIAB website. In absolute, bloody-minded, gory detail, which version are you all talking about?

We do not know where we are going.
Nor do most of us care.
For us, it is enough that we are on our way.
Le Matelot

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 06/29/2009:  05:34:40


Here is a post I made on another thread that might apply to this thread:


I continue to discover (slowly, very slowly) things about Band In A Box - this time I have found the button....(a single click)... where you can change the notation from chord names to Roman Numerals... Nashville numbering ... or several other kinds of presentation. I like the Roman Numerals pesentation because it is a vivid reminder of the useful PATTERNS for playing the banjo as you change keys. Then if you 'save' the song with that presentation it will come back with whatever notation you saved when you recall it. And, duh!..you can change it back to chord name notation with one click.

That button is labeled "II" in the upper right of the screen of BIAB....it is a very nice option feature of BIAB .

Phil




"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)


Edited by - Kemo Sabe on 06/29/2009 07:48:20

Glenn Tate - Posted - 06/29/2009:  05:46:26


Brian,
It depends what genre of music you want it to produce. They have real tracks for all genre's of music, so that is what all the other "packs" are for.

For bluegrass, the basic version, along with "Bluegrass Real Tracks" and "Bluegrass fake book" is ample for jamming with a band. Maybe even the basic version with the "Bluegrass fake book" first, and add the "Bluegrass Real Tracks" at a later date if you prefer real instruments over the midi sound. You can always download over 200 music files off the internet to play in BIAB.



"Opportunities are never lost. Someone will pick up the ones you miss!"
"Your never lost, if you don''t care where you are."

Glenn


Edited by - Glenn Tate on 06/29/2009 05:57:04

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 06/29/2009:  08:22:44


The bottom line for me is that BIAB with the 'Real Tracks' is all the name implies - it NOW has the utility of what I had expected and hoped for the first time I ever heard about a 'Band In A Box'.

Phil

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)

Brian T - Posted - 06/29/2009:  08:24:48


Thank you Glenn. This thread is a broad discussion as if we all know precisely what each version of BIAB can do.
Me? I'd like to be able to sit down and play either BG banjo/Scruggs-style, or a guitar, to BG and folkie sort of tunes.

We do not know where we are going.
Nor do most of us care.
For us, it is enough that we are on our way.
Le Matelot

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 06/29/2009:  14:03:12


OK - one more thing about BIAB - the version I got has a feature called "Real Band" - it is a screen that comes up (separate from BIAB) - it looks a lot like BIAB but has even more 'stuff' on it. For example - it has a lot of pull down screens, dozens of references to channels, reverb levers, mixer levers on the channels, etc. I called BIAB folks today and ask them to verbalize what this thing is and I think that what I heard was something like this:

....You take the files you created with BIAB (which is one melody line... from 'Real Tracks' for example + one audio add-on track ... for example where I added vocals and a banjo track to the 'Careless Love' I mentioned above).... then you take these two tracks and put them in Real Band and mix them to your delight. Then, if I understand the conversation.... you can bring in other tracks into 'Real Band' ... maybe a harmony line for the vocals, + another track with whatever you wanna bring in....+ there is provision for dozens of tracks to bring into the 'Real Band' and mix them to your satisfaction.

So, there you have it (as Murphy would say)... that is my very limited understanding with no experience to verify the facts.... of a glimplse of how 'Real Band' works.

,,,Oh, and don't write any of this stuff down (Murphy would also say that).... because I am clueless as to the real skinny on 'Real Band'.

Yeah.. I like BIAB.. it's not as good as sliced bread but it's a notch above apple pie.

Somebody please post and help me out on this 'Real Band' software that is a part of BIAB.

Thanks,

Phil

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)


Edited by - Kemo Sabe on 06/29/2009 14:18:33

Brian T - Posted - 06/29/2009:  15:20:14


Just got back from the PGMusic site.
Pro BIAB (+Real Tracks) etc for $129.00
Songs & Lessons PAK $99.00

Is this all there is for what I'd like to do (above post) or will I be expected to buy more things?

We do not know where we are going.
Nor do most of us care.
For us, it is enough that we are on our way.
Le Matelot

Baglady - Posted - 06/29/2009:  15:40:33


Brian,

I went to Janet Davis and ordered "Bluegrass Band In A Box 2009. It includes BIAB Pro plus Bluegrass soloist Disk 5, a midi Fakebook and Real Band.
It was $99.00. I hope I'm getting everything I need. I've heard a lot of good things about BIAB on this website. I've been using Murphy's Method and the slow jam
video is wonderful but I have out grown it and need to start speeding up just a bit. Good Luck

Baglady

Brian T - Posted - 06/29/2009:  16:30:03


Thanks Angela. How much is in the midi fakebook (or should I just go sniff around the JD website?)

I just got an email from PGMusic to say that I could load the whole thing on a USB flash drive and carry it with me from house to house! That would be convenient. All I have is a bunch of IBM P4 machines and no laptop. But for $50 each, what can I say.

We do not know where we are going.
Nor do most of us care.
For us, it is enough that we are on our way.
Le Matelot

Brian T - Posted - 06/29/2009:  16:44:48


Just had good look at the BIAB deal in the Janet Davis website.
Think that's what I'm going to do. Thanks.

We do not know where we are going.
Nor do most of us care.
For us, it is enough that we are on our way.
Le Matelot

Baglady - Posted - 06/29/2009:  19:14:55


You are quite welcome Brian, Yeah, just go to Janet Davis website. It will show you the 300 songs. Most of them were classical.

Angela

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 06/30/2009:  03:15:10


quote:
Originally posted by Kemo Sabe

OK - one more thing about BIAB - the version I got has a feature called "Real Band" - ...........
Somebody please post and help me out on this 'Real Band' software that is a part of BIAB............


I did a search on BHO to see if I could get some help on this new (Real Band) feature of Band In A Box and did not find much except the following which was posted about 3 weeks ago:

"....Btw, they have a new program called Real Band which basically turns Band in a Box into a full recording program"

If anybody has a followup comment about this feature of BIAB I would appreciate hearing about it.

Phil



"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)

Mopick - Posted - 06/30/2009:  07:25:28


I have an older version (2005) of Band in a Box. I see on the PG website that I can upgrade to 2009 for 69 dollars. Then the Bluegrass rhythm pack is 29.95.

I just went and looked at Band in a Box 2009 at Janet Davis. That looks like a good deal. I wonder why she didn't include the Bluegrass Rhythm pack (#11) instead of the Bluegrass soloist pack. The Rhythm pack replaces the midi with actual recordings of Acoustic Bass, Guitar, Mandolin, Fiddle, Banjo. The Rhythm pack is available for 29.00.


I live in the mountains.....
The mountainous region of Central Florida.
Sugarloaf Mountain; 312 feet above sea level.

Randy


Edited by - Mopick on 06/30/2009 07:37:56

Brian T - Posted - 06/30/2009:  09:43:43


RealTracks Set #11 is Bluegrass Rhythym. RealTracks Set #12 is Bluegrass Instrumental Solos. In the latest email reply to me from PG Music, they recommended that I buy Sets #11 and #12 (which can be added to BIAB/2008, too).

Maybe there's another way to do this, but if you want more information about what's in any of the versions of BIAB, just pretend to buy it and all sorts of info screens open up.

Randy: I think that my house sits on level ground, about 500' above the summit of your Sugarloaf Mtn. All around me, within an hour's drive, the peaks are 7,000 - 12,000'

We do not know where we are going.
Nor do most of us care.
For us, it is enough that we are on our way.
Le Matelot

Tim13 - Posted - 06/30/2009:  10:41:28


I can't recall a time I've ever been so confused about a product.....LOL! Seriously, I've been looking at the BIAB website for about a week, and still can't figure out what I should order. I don't like MIDI tracks, so the ability to have real sounding instruments is attractive to me, but I'm at a loss here. Real Band? Real Tracks? Rhythm Tracks? Soloist Tracks? The fog is getting thicker.....Hahahaha.

Tim

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 06/30/2009:  10:57:25


quote:
Originally posted by Tim13

I can't recall a time I've ever been so confused about a product.....LOL! Seriously, I've been looking at the BIAB website for about a week, and still can't figure out what I should order. I don't like MIDI tracks, so the ability to have real sounding instruments is attractive to me, but I'm at a loss here. Real Band? Real Tracks? Rhythm Tracks? Soloist Tracks? The fog is getting thicker.....Hahahaha.

Tim





Tim

I call them on their 800 number ... I think they know me by first name nowadays. They have been very friendly and informative with my dealings with them and have helped me make great progress with their product. I think they might basically ask you about what your goals are for having the product.... what kind of computer sys you have ... I also believe that if you take the features slow and easy it gets easier and easier to utilize the software.

Phil

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)

Glenn Tate - Posted - 07/01/2009:  07:03:06


All you need for bluegrass, if you want more than MIDI is:
1. Basic 2009 Pro BIAB with Real Band (also contains some other genres and styles of music - included in the $99 price at Janet Davis Music. This is where I ordered my from.)

Add On’s for bluegrass:
2. Bluegrass MIDI Fakebook (Extra if you don't find someone like Janet Davis Music, who includes it with the basic pro version price of $99)
3. RealTracks Set 11: All Bluegrass (Rhythm) (I ordered my from www.pgmusic. com)

Now, you can get any of these from www.pgmusic.com, but it will cost more. Janet Davis Music has it cheaper. You can get the Basic 2009 Pro BIAB with Real Band, PLUS the Bluegrass MIDI Fakebook for $99. I do not see the RealTracks Set 11: All Bluegrass (Rhythm) listed on her website. I see that www.pgmusic.com has the RealTracks Set 11: All Bluegrass (Rhythm) for $29. I think that is reasonable. So, for $128 plus shipping, you are ready to jam with a bluegrass band whatever your computer is located.

After you get used to playing the songs that come with BIAB, you will start building you own songs and saving them to jam with whenever you want to.

These three items are all you need for bluegrass. Now if you want to dabble in country, pop, rock, folk, etc., they have various packs available for those genres of music.

I am not kidding you when I tell you that you will have to spend some time with BIAB, and the learning curve is directly related to you knowledge of the computer and some basic music theory. There is so much available on the program, there is some of it I will probably never use. But, you do get a big bang for your buck.


"Opportunities are never lost. Someone will pick up the ones you miss!"
"Your never lost, if you don''t care where you are."

Glenn

O.D. - Posted - 07/01/2009:  13:52:40


If anyone wants to hear this program with Real Tracks go to my homepage and listen to Rainy Day in Rock Fork. It is the best example I have of this program.
I edited out the Real Tracks banjo ,( simply reduce the volume)since I recorded my banjo .
I upgraded my version 2005 to 2009 as Version 2009 is the only version that allows the use of Real Tracks.
I wanted Real Tracks due to the fact that the y sound much better than midi.
Heres my link;
http://www.banjohangout.org/myhango....asp?id=1702
Regards, O.D.

www.oxforddepot.net
www.cdbaby.com/cd/edackerly

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 07/01/2009:  14:13:13


O.D.

That is fine sounding bluegrass with very nice back-up!

I have found tracks in Real Tracks where I don't have to edit out the banjo....the banjo is already exclued in one track I have been using and that is what I want because I am playing the banjo for the audio track.

I wish they had specific names for the tracks.... I have so many Real Tracks I am not sure I could identify the track I am using for anyone unless I just list all those goofy numbers on it.

Thanks for your post and audio post of Real Tracks... one of these days I am going to learn how to post audio files on BHO.

Phil

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)


Edited by - Kemo Sabe on 07/01/2009 14:14:13

O.D. - Posted - 07/01/2009:  16:17:12




That is fine sounding bluegrass with very nice back-up!

ThanksKemoSabe



Thanks for your post and audio post of Real Tracks... one of these days I am going to learn how to post audio files on BHO.

Its Not too hard to post mp3's on the hangout. If I can help in anyway shoot me an e mail. I can walk you through it.
Regards, O.d.

Phil

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)
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www.oxforddepot.net
www.cdbaby.com/cd/edackerly

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 07/02/2009:  03:43:20


O.D.

Thanks for your post re: posting to BHO. I hope I am not getting too far off the topic of this thread - BIAB - the files I create in BIAB are called 'SGU' files (whatever that means). So, the BIAB files are SGU and I have a audio track attached (banjo and vocals combined, for example). Can I post these BIAB files directly to BHO?

Phil

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)

O.D. - Posted - 07/02/2009:  05:14:24


You need to convert those files to an mp3 format . The BHOwill only accept mp3 because they are compressed file s and are smaller.
1st you need to merge your audio with BIAB , it sounds like you may have done that actualy it does it automaticly when you record your audio along with BIAB. Next select the "wav" button that you see to the left of the play button and select "direct render save to wav ' when that dialog box appears. That will create a "wav" file of your audio and biab.
For internet use it is most sufficient to use mp3 files because they are smaller and take up less space and time so you need to conveert the wav file to mp3
I use my Windows Media Player which has a file converter. I select the wav file and Media Player converts it.
BIAB has a file converter as well but I have hadi Issues with it in the past not working well.
It could be just my set up,I dont know.
You could try selecting save file in mp3 format while in the "wav" dialog box,intead of the " DXi Direct Render" choice. It might work fine for you. Youll have to try and see .
I know it sounds confusing but youll get familiar with i after a few times .
Give it a try ,if you have any more questions or if I can help just let me know.
ill keep an eye on this thread just in case.
Regards, O.D.

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Kemo Sabe - Posted - 07/02/2009:  05:53:51


O.D.

Thanks for those hints - I have printed out your suggestions and will work on that soon. I too have the Windows Media Player and I have had good luck with it. I think you have given me a good outline of where I want to go with this.

Thanks,

Phil

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)

Baglady - Posted - 07/02/2009:  09:26:18


Got my bluegrass BIAB from Janet Davis in the mail today. Comes with a 320 page manual.

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 07/04/2009:  09:26:33


Today's discovery re: BIAB... If you click on the instruments listed at top left of screen for BIAB and follow the dropdown to the tracks listing for 'Real Tracks' you can see the artists performing the 'Real Tracks'. There are dozens of artists for the many instruments listed. I am looking at the listing for the banjo artist on the tracks I am using ... the banjo artist is Scott Vestal. If I said it is very excellent banjo stuff I would be understating the case.

Phil

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)

Baglady - Posted - 07/04/2009:  14:26:10


Please keep the discoveries coming Kemo. I got mine the other day and I've been real busy and haven't had time to really get into it but it does seem overwhelming.

Baglady

paulbluegrass - Posted - 07/04/2009:  15:16:27


I also use it everyday to help me practice and bring a real life experience!! Well kind of!

Paul D

Kemo Sabe - Posted - 07/04/2009:  16:03:11


quote:
Originally posted by Baglady

Please keep the discoveries coming Kemo. I got mine the other day and I've been real busy and haven't had time to really get into it but it does seem overwhelming.

Baglady



Here is a suggestion - learn the process first - start with a real simple song: 'Ashes Of Love'... and rather than downloading a midi file and converting it to bluegrass instruments - just punch in the chords to this simple 2 chord song (or any song you choose) and then select a bluegrass track. BIAB generates the song based on the chords you punch in. If you sing the song with the backup or play along with your banjo - I guarantee you will very soon be hearing the song with just the backup. LISTEN!!!...& you will QUICKLY know if you have punched in the chords correctly and if not it is very simple to correct the chord progression and timing. I think this is the simplest way of getting started... and it takes only a few minutes to load a two or three chord simple song into the screen. Name the song on the panel and then save it and you are done for your first song.

Another way of getting the backup is to download a midi file and then 'Kill The Melody' (as I have mentioned earlier) and then just pick a bluegrass track. I have found this second method to be simpler for some songs that are more complex than the two chord and simple 3 chord songs. The immediate advantage I can see to this method is that when you download the song and 'kill the melody' BIAB saves the chords - progression and timing - and you don't have to count measures, etc. to lay out the chord progression and timing.

Either way you do this the outcome is the same.

Another hint - you don't need to know about 99% of the buttons on the sceen to get through this process I have suggested ...I've had BIAB a long time and I don't have a clue what most of those buttons do. Those buttons probably do wonderful things but this is not an aircraft where you might crash and burn if you don't know the entire system and the flight manual. Think in terms of a 'simulator' for a tricycle...nobody gets hurt!

Hope this helps.

Phil

"Listen, listen, listen and play, play, play." (Murphy Henry)


Edited by - Kemo Sabe on 07/04/2009 16:45:51

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