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airborne - Posted - 06/14/2009: 01:00:52
what is there about jam's you dont like, I love jaming, but there are a lot of thing's i hate about jam's, ive been to jam's when i've put my banjo on the stand to go to the loo, and when i come back there's someone playing it without asking, so now i put it back in the case, that's one of mine what's your's.
all the best john.
Edited by - airborne on 06/14/2009 02:19:34
Johnny Lackluster - Posted - 06/14/2009: 01:26:59
I think touching someone's instrument without permission is incredibly rude.
The only 2 issues I've had at jams is people with horrible timing, and people who have one volume - Loud! Put those two together and its a jam killer.
I once had a guy sit outside the circle directly behind me. No problem there, but he was so loud and his timing so bad, I couldnt here others taking breaks and could barely here myself at times. When I first started out, I always made sure I played softly until I was sure I could keep in time.
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airborne - Posted - 06/14/2009: 02:16:10
there my 2 pet hate's to, i was at a jam some week's ago, there was a guy with a top end Gibson, it was so loud, he just showed off, you could see it in his face, look what i've got. he was sat next to me, i had a ring in my ear for a week.
and the timing thing, i didn't like say anything about that one, i dont mind if someone's only been playing for a wile, i know guy's, no name's, they've been playing for years and there timing is still bad, God bless em. johnny your up early,or is it late,its 10 in the morning here in England, any way good morning mate.
all the best john.
Edited by - airborne on 06/14/2009 02:22:11
JIMBO53 - Posted - 06/14/2009: 04:32:47
1. Whoever kicks off a song and doesn't let everyone know the key or the title of the song.
2. A hotshot who kicks off an instrumental in warp speed just to show he can.
3. Someone who stops in the middle of a song and re-tune.
4. People who insist on talking or asking questions while a song is going on.
5. Someone who hogs breaks and takes a break on top of someone elses break.
6. A drunk. (unless everyone else is drunk,too )
7. Someone who kicks off a song and doesn't really know it.
8. People who don't bring tuners or extra strings to a jam.
..and these are just off the top of my head....
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steve davis - Posted - 06/14/2009: 05:02:10
You never know what might happen at a jam and that's what I like about them.I go to them with
no expectations and take what I get.Any jam is better than no jam at all.
Life is like that,too.
Pool
Pjotor - Posted - 06/14/2009: 05:14:24
The one thing I don't like is that there are no jams around where I live. You US people don't know how lucky you are.
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beeliner - Posted - 06/14/2009: 05:45:06
quote:
Originally posted by lrbsammyswannabe
Songs in "E" .
Amen to that ! beeliner- Revis Martin Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ :Romans 5:1 [KJV]
beeliner - Posted - 06/14/2009: 05:46:37
Jams where the pro's form a tight circle in the center and ignore those on the outside.
beeliner- Revis Martin
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RONLD - Posted - 06/14/2009: 05:59:05
Traffic jam's ! But seriously - if everyone share's the breaks and the case's are not scatterd all over the place it makes it alot more enjoy-able.
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airborne - Posted - 06/14/2009: 06:09:00
a good mate of mine that i've been jaming with for the last 3 years or so, we can be doing a song that we've done for the last 3 years, and we have played it a 100 time's he still ask's what key we do it in, the other night, he went one better, we'd just finished a song and he siad what key was that in, but he's a great guy and i love him to bit's but he dos my head in.
take my good mate Alan he's our mando player, i've known him for over
30 years a very good player, he's allway's drinking my beer, he dos it every week, and hes been doing it for years, i could put it down to the fact that he's coming up for 70, but no he was doing it 20 years ago,
I bet they could say some thing's about me, but im perfect im a banjo picker lol, i love jaming with the guy's and i wouldn't have it any other way.
Edited by - airborne on 06/14/2009 06:36:28
Glenn Tate - Posted - 06/14/2009: 06:15:44
1. Out of tune instruments.
2. Instruments played out of time.
3. Too many instruments. I have played in lots of large jams, but prefer a small group with normal bluegrass instruments.
4. Not going around the circle. I like to just talk and visit and play whatever comes to whoever's mind.
5. Songs that have been changed to a special non-typical arrangement.
6. Pickers who do not know how to blend in with the group, so that every instrument and voice can be heard. (show-offs)
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Gold Star GF-85 - Posted - 06/14/2009: 06:17:54
I go with no expectations other than to play music, sometimes things go better than other times, but it is all Good.
I like the fact there are people from beginner to Pro level at our Jam sessions, Michigan Bluegrass Music Association in Flint Michigan.
Probably my only thing is people talking during a song, now I don't have a problem with someone asking something like, how did you do this, or that, after a tune is done and before the next one starts.
I try to enjoy the fellowship and have fun, and not get to serious to where I don't enjoy myself.
Big John,
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Edited by - Gold Star GF-85 on 06/14/2009 06:19:57
strang - Posted - 06/14/2009: 06:42:52
Silence; down time.
I H8 it when a song is over and then folks just stand there for a few minutes not doing anything. 
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wkb28791 - Posted - 06/14/2009: 06:55:58
me not knowing how to participate in Jam sessions. I think I'm the guy ya'll dislike; the one thats out of tune, out of time and just plain bad.
Regards,
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Cornflake - Posted - 06/14/2009: 07:56:14
For me it's the feeling of having to be careful not to step on anybody's feelings. When I'm playing with friends that is a minimal problem, but when playing with the general public I get distracted by etiquette and by all the problems mentioned above. I don't find most jams very enjoyable.
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Joe Larson - Posted - 06/14/2009: 09:30:26
I hate the Gospel take over, where someone will come in and start doing one after another of slow draggy, often depressing, gospel songs. Don't get get me wrong, one or 2 is fine but 5 or 6 in a row and I'm out of there.
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Edited by - Joe Larson on 06/14/2009 09:31:02
pick1936 - Posted - 06/14/2009: 10:05:37
At our jam, Im gettin used to songs in E Just capo, pick out of C pos. We have it happen all the time.
Nechville. In Higginsville.
pick the banjer son.
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strang - Posted - 06/14/2009: 10:13:30
I hate the closet country picker/singers.
Once Patsy Cline, Merle Haggard, Willie Nelson, etc. stuff come out, I pack it up.
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Kenneth Logsdon - Posted - 06/14/2009: 12:20:04
Amen to Joe and Strang.. jam busters for sure... What do they not understand we're playin Bluegrass, or Old Time.. Makes no difference if it is your 2nd cousin of your third Grandchile, just visiten...
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pete hobbie - Posted - 06/14/2009: 14:21:54
People who play to loud.Thats it....anything else is fine , changing keys, styles, genres,whatever. but when somebody is just wide open loud all the time it makes me nuts,dynamics is the key...
Pete
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steve davis - Posted - 06/14/2009: 15:17:09
I like playing in a circle offering each next one a chance to offer a song or not...just to make sure everyone feels included.
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Banjo John C - Posted - 06/14/2009: 17:08:56
1. When each song is played in a different key. I'm sure this is done to aggravate the banjo players. IT WORKS.
2. Inflated egos that nit picks everything.
Old Tyme, all the time
philip4229 - Posted - 06/14/2009: 17:19:36
Having no bass to keep rhythm. The echo effect occurs..especially at the larger jams. One end of the circle will be an entire half step ahead of the other.
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Ks_5-picker - Posted - 06/14/2009: 18:11:59
I was in two jams on friday that were on both ends of the age spectrum.One was with several teenage youngsters playing fiddle,mando,banjo and guitar.There were only a couple of us 50ish folks involved.
The other jam was a fella who is almost 91,a couple other guys 83 and 85 and my mom who will be 80 in august and myself and another guy my age.
What didn't I like about it? Well....................nothin.......off topic,sorry 
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steve davis - Posted - 06/14/2009: 18:33:02
The last jam I went to had a lady playing washtub bass...she was on it.
Pool
Kevin B - Posted - 06/15/2009: 12:23:42
I don't have much of a stomach for multiple banjos. To me that just never sounds right.
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banjobilly32 - Posted - 06/15/2009: 12:46:12
Banjo, banjos, we don't need no stinkin banjos! How come they always sing "Won't you go home Bill Dailey " when I show up??
Hotrodtruck - Posted - 06/15/2009: 12:56:40
People who carry on conversations and try to talk over the music.
Mike
"I thought I was dancing, until someone stepped on my hand!"
philip4229 - Posted - 06/15/2009: 13:25:53
Multiple banjos is a rough one for sure, especially when the leader says the word banjo at a break, and looks directly at you to signify that he would like for you to take the break..from there, it becomes a Roman Colosseum battle to try and fire off your attack against the rest of the 3 banjos that feel as if I need some help.
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frmertd - Posted - 06/15/2009: 16:56:48
WHen I was a beginner, I went to jams and I loved it all. Now, my ears are more discriminating and I hear things like timing problems. SO what I don't like I guess is me.
pipefitter61 - Posted - 06/15/2009: 17:28:09
Not much on jamming at random anymore. Nothing worse than a jam with 4 guitars, playing 4 different rhythm's. (and not ONE of them a bluegrass rhythm!) More than (2) banjo players.(and then only if they are in tune with one another, and behave themselves) Mandolin players that chop behind the beat! I could go on, but it would just piss me off thinking about it! LOL
TL - Posted - 06/15/2009: 19:16:34
We have an old guy around here that sings alot of the older country ballads ( the ones that actually DO lend themselves to Bluegrass instrumentation), but he starts the song and runs straight through to the end wihout allowing any instrumental breaks. that's the bad news. the good news is his songs are all shorter, allowing us to get on to the next person quicker!
hawksbill - Posted - 06/15/2009: 19:31:51
If they conflict with my peanut-butter.
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Banjocoltrane - Posted - 06/15/2009: 20:01:23
Things I don't like about Jams
1)If the jam has a fiddle player from North Georgia in it I don't like it-all fiddle players from N Georgia overplay.....they wouldn't know the meaning of backup if it stole their bow.
2)if it has a dobro player-it's a wanna-be banjo that belongs on an island somewhere.
3)If it has a mandolin-they never are in tune.......they don't even have a "pesky B string"....they have an "A string" and still can't tune it.
4)If it has a singer in it-all singers want to run the jam and be the alpha, the omega, the beginning and the end.
5)If the jam has a guitar player-they just want to hit G runs at every chance.
An ideal jam consist of a banjo and a good bass player.....anything else will just ruin it. A roll and a one-five is all that's needed and minimizes the chances of anyone else getting a break besides the banjoist.
-I almost forgot, the song, "JOHN HARDY" is required at all jams; if it's not played I don't like the jam either.
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Edited by - Banjocoltrane on 06/16/2009 07:34:25
Jim T - Posted - 06/15/2009: 21:27:11
quote:
Originally posted by Banjocoltrane
Things I don't like about Jams
1)If the jam has a fiddle player from North Georgia in it I don't like it-all fiddle players from N Georgia overplay.....they wouldn't know the meaning of backup if it stole their bow.
2)if it has a dobro player-it's a wanna-be banjo that belongs on an island somewhere.
3)If it has a mandolin-they never are really are in tune.......they don't even have a "pesky B string"....they have an "A string" and still can't tune it.
4)If it has a singer in it-all singers want to run the jam and be the alpha omega, the beginning and the end.
5)If the jam has a guitar player-they just want to hit G runs at every chance.
An ideal jam consist of a banjo and a good bass player.....anything else will just ruin it. A roll and a one-five is all that's needed and minimizes the chances of anyone else getting a break besides the banjoist.
-I almost forgot, the song, "JOHN HARDY" is required at all jams; if it's not played I don't like the jam either.
Now that my new favorite instrument is my banjo and my lady friend plays the bass, I'd have to agree wholeheartedly. Jim
Pick1949 - Posted - 06/15/2009: 22:58:23
I really like Banjocoltranes list.. here are some of mine.
1. When the fiddle player just quits blankly to give you a break.. and there is a pause until you get around to playing your break. Seriously, all they have to do is give you a nod or something to let you know.
2. When the fiddle is tuned sharper than everybody else.... damn it!
3. When a JD Crowe wannabe with a "front man" attitude shows up.
4. When a singer who thinks he can sing Little Maggie better than Ralph, Lester or Bill... and thinks he can outdo Jimmy Martin shows up and starts singing.
5. When so called "professionals" show up..... when in reality they are not. The true professionals/legends didnt get where they are/where by taking over jams and showing off.
6. When a bratty ass banjo maker shows up and thinks he has the solution to everybodys unexceptional (according to him) banjo tone.
7. When what I call a "wanna-be badass" banjo player shows up and keeps burying everything in melodics and scale licks....
8. A Bass player who dont know the chord changes and cant anticipate the changes to the songs he dont know... but keeps on playing anyway, obnoxiously.
9. A fiddler who keeps on playing songs and gets them all tangeld up with one another....
10. A guitar player shows up who only plays the bass beat..and cant do that in time..... Ive seen alot of these.
11. A guitar player who starts his runs but most of the time.. misses the runs "punch line".
12. A player who try's to overly improvise.....
13. When it is so god forsaken loud that you have to get loud to the point of "harshining" your own tone just to be able to hear yourself.
14. When there is way to many participants and it gets sloppy.
15. A guitar player who just automatically assumes everything is in the key of G...
16. When a few guys who are actually in a "band" show up and start to try to put on a semi "performance".
17. When there is 2 banjo players trying to outdo one another... Ive never seen but just a very select few players who were actually mature enough to not do this at a jam ..
18. A "One Man Band" shows up.. meaning that he plays a instrument (either guitar or banjo) and uses it as a rythym/backup instrument and also trys to do all the singing.
19. One of those said "professionals" try to sing a song in a key waaaaay to high for their voice.
21. Songs/tunes started without a announcement of what the tune is.
21. Man... there are so many things to name it aint even funny...
Eveything would be alright if alot of those people would realize that they put their pants on like everyone else... it would then be better most of the time anyway.
Edited by - Pick1949 on 06/15/2009 23:15:20
steve davis - Posted - 06/16/2009: 04:30:34
That's funny,Jody. quote:
Originally posted by Banjocoltrane
Things I don't like about Jams
1)If the jam has a fiddle player from North Georgia in it I don't like it-all fiddle players from N Georgia overplay.....they wouldn't know the meaning of backup if it stole their bow.
2)if it has a dobro player-it's a wanna-be banjo that belongs on an island somewhere.
3)If it has a mandolin-they never are really are in tune.......they don't even have a "pesky B string"....they have an "A string" and still can't tune it.
4)If it has a singer in it-all singers want to run the jam and be the alpha omega, the beginning and the end.
5)If the jam has a guitar player-they just want to hit G runs at every chance.
An ideal jam consist of a banjo and a good bass player.....anything else will just ruin it. A roll and a one-five is all that's needed and minimizes the chances of anyone else getting a break besides the banjoist.
-I almost forgot, the song, "JOHN HARDY" is required at all jams; if it's not played I don't like the jam either.
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frail42 - Posted - 06/16/2009: 04:48:15
quote:
Originally posted by Pick1949
15. A guitar player who just automatically assumes everything is in the key of G...
Thankfully, banjo players never do this...  ------------------------- http://www.ukbluegrass.com
Banjocoltrane - Posted - 06/16/2009: 07:36:54
quote:
Originally posted by Pick1949
3. When a JD Crowe wannabe with a "front man" attitude shows up.
16. When a few guys who are actually in a "band" show up and start to try to put on a semi "performance".
19. One of those said "professionals" try to sing a song in a key waaaaay to high for their voice.
HAHAHAHA, these I found PARTICULARLY funny. Number 16 is perhaps my least favorite one to encounter. Evidently, these things are Universal across the states ;) http://www.jodyhughesmusic.comVisit My Music Blog for monthly articles on basic musicianship, theory, etc http://jodyhughesmusic.blogspot.com/
Edited by - Banjocoltrane on 06/16/2009 07:37:51
philip4229 - Posted - 06/16/2009: 08:33:34
When a banjo player shows up.
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frmertd - Posted - 06/16/2009: 09:48:25
Concerning a "band showing up" . I don't mind this, sometimes it can be fun if you can improvise a good solo to their song and watch their eyes open wide. But once in a while a band will show up, do a song and NOT GIVE OUT SOLOS. Oh my gosh, by blood pressure goes through the ROOF when that happens. It's as if they think they are so talented that the rest of us are just their audience.
banjobrunette - Posted - 06/16/2009: 11:12:01
quote:
Originally posted by Banjocoltrane
quote:
Originally posted by Pick1949
3. When a JD Crowe wannabe with a "front man" attitude shows up.
16. When a few guys who are actually in a "band" show up and start to try to put on a semi "performance".
19. One of those said "professionals" try to sing a song in a key waaaaay to high for their voice.
HAHAHAHA, these I found PARTICULARLY funny. Number 16 is perhaps my least favorite one to encounter. Evidently, these things are Universal across the states ;)
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Amen to all that. And it's not just a US phenomenon (sp?).... Cheers, BB 
OutlawSteph - Posted - 06/16/2009: 13:30:36
1. Anyone playing out of tune..
2. Anyone kicking a song off too fast to hear the melody..
3. Anyone kicking a song off w/out telling you the title and key..
4. Anyone telling you "this is modal tune" who can't tell you which mode.
5. Anyone banging on spoons or playing with their silverware!!
AndyM - Posted - 06/16/2009: 18:06:46
Lots of reasons on this thread not to like in a jam situation but our jams up in this neck of the woods go purty smoothly. There's always the country style singer that might show up and when they're done singing their break, they'll say, "Pick it", and everybody looks at each other politely wondering who's going to "pick it". Also, the singer that waits until they're done singing their break and then nodding to one of us to do the break, way to late to get a good lead in, actually play the break decently for that matter. But, it's better than no jams.
hawksbill - Posted - 06/16/2009: 18:09:52
Players who walk around looking for someone to dual with...
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