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banjoman3 - Posted - 02/28/2009:  18:38:59


hey yall
i hope i have this question in the right place
I am wanting to add a sliding fifth string capo on the RK but there is no where for me to go to get that done.
especially anywhere or anyone i trust to do it.
my question is simply this, out of everyone that offers it. who would you send it to, to get it done?

thanks in advance for your help :)



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dpete210 - Posted - 02/28/2009:  18:56:30


banjoman, if you dare install it yourself, here are good directions from Rick Shubb's web site: http://www.shubb.com/fs/index.html
When you are on that page, click on the link: 5th string capo installation (pdf)

If you don't want to do this yourself, holler out your location and maybe someone can recommend a place somewhere near you.

Any day playing music is a GOOD day.

banjoman3 - Posted - 02/28/2009:  19:00:52


i thank ya so much for your response dpete, but alas. i am to scared to do it myself lol
i'm in mobile, al



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dpete210 - Posted - 02/28/2009:  19:58:44


ok banjoman3, while you're looking for someone who can install it for you, here is a short term solution you can try. If you flub, you're only out a cap to a pen. Click on the link in the first post. http://www.banjohangout.org/forum/t...IC_ID=141470

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banjoman3 - Posted - 02/28/2009:  20:01:57


thanks for showin me this. that's awesome :)



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stelling man - Posted - 03/01/2009:  07:21:57


SPIKES ARE AWSOME TOO..

STELLING MAN

banjoman3 - Posted - 03/01/2009:  12:14:12


what are spikes for?



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Edthebanjo - Posted - 03/01/2009:  12:38:38


quote:
Originally posted by banjoman3

what are spikes for?



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They also capo the 5th string, but are less intrusive than the capo, and only require tiny holes in the fingerboard to be drilled. here is a picture:


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zeeway - Posted - 03/01/2009:  12:40:23


They can effectively shorten the fifth string - you install model railroad spikes (they have a hook ends) between frets under the fifth string. That allows you to trap the fifth string under a spike between the sixth and seventh fret, for example, and the fifth string will only vibrate in length from the seventh fret to the bridge. So if you place a capo two frets up from the nut, you use a (previously installed) spike to "shorten" the fifth string two frets, so all the strings stay in tune relative to each other. So instead of an open G, you can tune your banjo to a higher note easily.

So spikes replace the need for a fifth string capo.


Edited by - zeeway on 03/01/2009 12:41:24

banjoman3 - Posted - 03/01/2009:  13:51:32


well what do ya'll prefer. the spikes or the capo?



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Edthebanjo - Posted - 03/01/2009:  15:28:43


Spikes personally, i would say about 80% of people prefer spikes (and for good reason)

What has 10 legs, 3 teeth, and no hair?
A bluegrass band!

xnavyguy - Posted - 03/01/2009:  15:56:20


I like spikes also. If you have to capo quickly, they are the best solution, in my book.

Jerry

"The only security you will ever have is in your ability to perform."

banjoman3 - Posted - 03/01/2009:  16:35:28


well that raps that up. lol
see, that's why i love the hangout
ya'll helped me out hugely.
i'm goin with the spikes :)
now where to find someone to install them for me. lol



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Richie Dotson - Posted - 03/01/2009:  18:28:35


I just can't stand the thought of drilling holes into the side of a banjo neck... spikes rock!

Richie Dotson
Craftsman, Teacher
www.BanjoResource.com
(757) 613-9627

Richie Dotson - Posted - 03/01/2009:  18:31:37


In case I forget, here is the link to the spike installation instructions: http://members.tripod.com/banjoist/spike.html

Richie Dotson
Craftsman, Teacher
www.BanjoResource.com
(757) 613-9627

dpete210 - Posted - 03/03/2009:  14:27:20


banjoman3, I have no stock shares in the little spikes nor in Rick Shubb's sliding capo. But I have spikes on 2 banjos and a Shubb 5th string capo on 2 banjos. I like them both. Actually the sliding capo results in fewer 5th string retuning problems on my banjos. The spikes were installed by 2 pros, Wyatt Fawley on one banjo and Tom Nechville on the other. I've installed them myself with equally good results, rookie that I am I installed both Shubbs and they work great. I don't recommend one over the other because I believe you have to try both to see which you like best. It is not a one size fits all thing. I believe there are folks on this forum who prefer the Shubb sliding capo to the spikes but have more or less stopped responding to the question of which is best because there are those on this forum who bad mouth a perfectly functional and ingenious 5th string capo design. I know I get tired of reading comments from people who are biased one way or another or who want everyone to think like they think. Therefore, my recommendation is to use that little pen cap trick while you decide which you'd like to do on your banjo. The two little holes for the Shubb slider can be filled so the holes are barely noticeable if you ever want to remove them. There can be complications removing spikes if you should ever want to. So there are pros and cons with either. The other factor you should consider is whether your banjo is to play or being purchased as an investment. If as an investment, personally, I wouldn't put any holes in the banjo. A hole is a hole If if is possible, play a banjo with the 5th string slider and try a banjo with the spikes and see which you like better. As far as I'm concerned, they both work great if properly installed. When it comes down to the nitty gritty, it doesn't make a nickel's bit of difference other than what you prefer best! Good luck!

*Edit PS Mr. Dotson's step by step instructions are excellent and if you decide on spikes they will help you do a successful job.

Any day playing music is a GOOD day.


Edited by - dpete210 on 03/03/2009 14:43:21

xnavyguy - Posted - 03/03/2009:  16:33:30


Nice post Dave. Very thoughtful and well said.

Jerry

"The only security you will ever have is in your ability to perform."

Richie Dotson - Posted - 03/03/2009:  17:36:48


I agree, Dave. I also think that they both work great. If it weren’t for drilling the finished side of the neck (spikes in the fingerboard can be undetectably reversed) then I would love a sliding 5th string capo. All of the banjos I play cost over $3,000.00 and I won't put a sliding capo on them for that reason. I didn't mean to be completely inflexible on the subject.

Richie Dotson
Craftsman, Teacher
www.BanjoResource.com
(757) 613-9627



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