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John3 - Posted - 10/25/2008:  10:13:44


can a high crown banjo head be used on any banjo, or will there be a problem getting the tension hoop below the neck?

jbalch - Posted - 10/25/2008:  10:37:08


It can be confusing....

On a high crown head, the rise from the hoop to the top of the head is tall (high). So the tension hoop will sit low on the banjo. High (or medium) crown heads work on most flathead type banjos.

There should be no problem getting the tension hoop below the neck with a high crown head.

A low crown head is the opposite. The rise from the hoop to the top of the head is shallow (low). With a low crown head the tension hoop sits high on the banjo. Low crown heads work for archtop banjos.

Depending on the banjo...you might not be able to get the tension hoop below the neck with a low crown head.



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Edited by - jbalch on 10/25/2008 10:38:40

steve davis - Posted - 10/25/2008:  10:41:46


You may find the tailpiece doesn't like a high crown head.

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John3 - Posted - 10/25/2008:  12:13:04


Thanks, I had it backwards. I think you are right the tailpiece would not fit right. I wanted to try the new Kevlar head but it is a high crown head. I think the tension hoop would go below the head, thuss no place for the tailpiece to rest on.

GerhardP - Posted - 10/25/2008:  12:42:26


Not my experience.

On a flathead with a high crown head the tension hoop is still above the head surface. Not that it matters, since my Presto tailpieces don't rest on top of the tension hoop anyway.

Gerhard



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Sandy Rothman - Posted - 10/25/2008:  16:25:18


quote:
On a flathead with a high crown head the tension hoop is still above the head surface.

Probably jbalch meant higher above the head level.

steve davis - Posted - 10/25/2008:  16:31:24


I've seen examples of a high crown head letting the tension hoop go down below the level of the head and interfering with the tailpiece.

I use medium crown on my flatheads.

concerning gardens...weed ''em and reap


Edited by - steve davis on 10/25/2008 16:32:27

Sandy Rothman - Posted - 10/25/2008:  17:44:33


Yes, I have too and I also like medium crown. I was only clarifying what I thought jbalch meant. Gerhard said the tension hoop is "still above," and although jbalch said it would sit low, I just meant to clarify that it might still be slightly above head level, as I've (we'll all probably) seen many times. It's also true that marked crown heights will vary. Among high crowns, I prefer lower ones.

SJL - Posted - 10/25/2008:  19:58:24


Just curious, what is the actual measurement difference between the three? Using the Medium as benchmark, is the low 1/8th", 1/16th?. How much taller is the high crown?

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jbalch - Posted - 10/25/2008:  20:34:01


From the Stewart MacDonald website:


REMO lists the same dimensions on their website: Low Collar - 3/8", Medium Collar - 7/16", and High Collar - 1/2".

Personally, I like High Crown Heads with flathead tonerings. I like the tension hoop to sit only slightly above the surface of the head.



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Edited by - jbalch on 10/25/2008 20:35:46

jbalch - Posted - 10/25/2008:  20:40:38


quote:
Originally posted by Sandy Rothman

jbalch said it would sit low, I just meant to clarify that it might still be slightly above head level, as I've (we'll all probably) seen many times.



Yes...I meant that the tension hoop will ride lower (with a high crown head...than with medium or low). But it will indeed usually still sit above the surface of the head.


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SJL - Posted - 10/25/2008:  21:01:53


Interesting. 1/16th increments. I wouldn't have thought that it would make much difference.



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Sandy Rothman - Posted - 10/26/2008:  00:24:02


Hmmm…in the overall scale of a musical instrument (or maybe a baby's hair!), 1/16" seems relatively significant.

John3 - Posted - 10/26/2008:  15:14:22


So, if the tone ring is taller than a high crown head would be ok? If that is true than if I shimmed my tone ring about 1/16 higher the high crown head would work just fine, that is if you can shim a tone ring!? Does that sound right, or will it change the sound of the banjo?


Edited by - John3 on 10/26/2008 15:17:56

SJL - Posted - 10/26/2008:  15:39:50


quote:
Originally posted by Sandy Rothman

Hmmm…in the overall scale of a musical instrument (or maybe a baby's hair!), 1/16" seems relatively significant.





Sandy, I guess, but in the case of a head I would have thought that it would really only mean that the tension hoop would sit a sixteenth of an inch higher or lower depending whether you had a medium or a high crown head. Assuming that they are tuned to the same note I would have thought that they would be at the same tension.

Please understand that I not doubting you, I am trying to figure out the differences.

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1976 (?) Aria Pro Tree of Life

banjoken - Posted - 10/26/2008:  16:00:26


quote:
Originally posted by SJL


Sandy, I guess, but in the case of a head I would have thought that it would really only mean that the tension hoop would sit a sixteenth of an inch higher or lower depending whether you had a medium or a high crown head. Assuming that they are tuned to the same note I would have thought that they would be at the same tension.




You are right... if you are going from a medium crown head to a high crown head and you get the tension the same your tension hoop would sit about 1/16 lower. Not a big deal at all if your hoop is high enough and there is enough room between the bottom of the hoop and the bottom of the notch in the neck so that you can go down that much.

On my banjo with a medium crown there is much more than an 1/8 space between the notch and the bottom of the hoop and the tension hoop sits a little more than an 1/8 above the head. I find the high crown a good thing on my banjo as I personally like the tension hoop not much higher than about a 1/16 above the head. I also find this lowers the tailpiece a bit, which I like.



SJL - Posted - 10/26/2008:  19:30:16


Thanks Banjoken, I think that clears things up for me.

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