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staxigoe - Posted - 10/02/2008:  06:37:44


looking for a waltz tune, cora is gone, if anybody can help. Thanks in advance
Tommy Farmer
tommy@staxigoe.freeserve.co.uk

Tommy, far north of Scotland


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azh - Posted - 10/02/2008:  08:40:37


I think it maybe in the Jim Pankey Book "three finger banjo Book" . I think it's a tablature you can get as a sample tab from his book.

http://wildjimbo.blogspot.com/2008/...d-jimbo.html


Regards

Hicham
http://banjobluegrass.free.fr

Don Borchelt - Posted - 10/02/2008:  16:58:59


I have uploaded a tab for the break in both Tabledit and PDF format. Click here:

http://www.banjr.com/hangout.htm

In the tabledit file, where ever you see the notation on the 2nd string moving from the 7th fret to the 9th fret, this is actually a bend or choke up to the pitch that you would hear at the 9th fret. You don't actualy move to the fret. This is how Tabledit handles the technique, so that the MIDI playback will sound right. Earl holds the string choked to that higher note, and then picks it again and releases the choke, thus lowering the pitch back to the original note.

- Don Borchelt


"My first stringed instrument was a cigar box banjo where I cut and turned the pegs and strung the wires myself." - Carl Sandburg
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staxigoe - Posted - 10/03/2008:  02:15:27


Thanks for taking the time guys, most helpful.
Tommy

Tommy, far north of Scotland

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Don Borchelt - Posted - 10/03/2008:  18:29:57


Jack: I looked at the tab and I don't see any difference in the bending function, we are both using the simple bend special effect function. Maybe I'm missing something. The real difference is in the tuning- you have it tabbed in f#DGBD, while I have it tabbed in open D, f#DF#AD. Earl wrote in "the book" that he played it in open D, noting that he used the harmonics at the 5th and 7th frets in his back-up. Both you and Jim Pankey have tabbed it out in the tuning you use. You're getting pretty much the same notes that I am, without completely retuning, but I still think the open D provides an old-time ambiance you lose staying mostly in open G. I'll see you in the lounge, and we can argue more about it.


"My first stringed instrument was a cigar box banjo where I cut and turned the pegs and strung the wires myself." - Carl Sandburg
Check out my webpage.


Edited by - Don Borchelt on 10/03/2008 18:35:22

Don Borchelt - Posted - 10/03/2008:  20:45:36


Jack wrote: "Hi Don...If you don't see the difference then I'd be surprised for sure. "

Well, Jack, blow me down, but I still don't see the difference. Here is your tab, that you just put back up:



And here is mine:



Now, I see that I am using sixteenth notes, while you are using eighth notes, and we are on different frets, because we are using different tunings, but what is the difference in the way we are depicting the chokes? I must be going blind or something.

You wrote: "he also used the tuning that I tabbed out "Cora Is Gone" in many of his songs in D..." I am interested in where Earl might have used f#DGBD as a tuning. Do you remember where you ran across that? That would be cool.

BTW, tab for Cora is Gone is not in "the book," Earl just mentions it in passing. I worked it out by slowing the old Mercury recording down to 16 1/2 rpm on my turntable, and listening to Lester sing bass.


"My first stringed instrument was a cigar box banjo where I cut and turned the pegs and strung the wires myself." - Carl Sandburg
Check out my webpage.


Edited by - Don Borchelt on 10/03/2008 20:56:19

Don Borchelt - Posted - 10/03/2008:  20:58:36


Jack wrote: "However, I hate writing in 2/4 time--too much clutter to my thinking even if banjo is actually played in 2/4. I still prefer, as do most people, to read in 4/4..."

Well, why don't you put them back up, then, so that most people can enjoy them again.


"My first stringed instrument was a cigar box banjo where I cut and turned the pegs and strung the wires myself." - Carl Sandburg
Check out my webpage.

Don Borchelt - Posted - 10/05/2008:  18:51:33


Jack wrote: "I listened to the Mercury recording of Cora... I hear it differently."

We don't hear it differently, other than the tuning. Mine is not note for note. Years ago, when I was teaching bluegrass banjo for the Music Emporium (and playing more bluegrass banjo than I do now), I used Cora Is Gone as part of my banjo "syllabus." That's where my tab came from. When I tabbed it out, I made some changes to Earl's break to make it easier to teach. The major change is at the point the break moves to the V chord. Earl plays a backward roll with the open 1st and 5th strings:



You've tabbed the same notes, but since you have the tune tabbed in f#DGBD, you are fretting the 5th instead of the 7th fret. That's a very old-timey three finger type of move, right out of Snuffy Jenkins, or Frank Jenkins, for that matter. The old time guys often ignored the chord movement. For a novice, it may be very simple to play, but it can also be very tricky to hear. For my purposes, it was more important to help my students to hear the chord changes, than it was to play Earl note for note, so I had them fret the V chord fragment, which in open D tuning is at the 7th fret. So my substitution looks like this:



That may appear to be heresy to you guys who want to get every note precisely, but I am here to tell you that I did that more than once, and not just to Earl. I wasn't trying to create a historical record, I was trying to teach beginners how to play the banjo. Earl did the same thing in "the book." The Cripple Creek he teaches early in the book is a "dumbed-down" version of what he plays on Foggy Mountain Banjo. I was just copying his example.

- Don Borchelt


"My first stringed instrument was a cigar box banjo where I cut and turned the pegs and strung the wires myself." - Carl Sandburg
Check out my webpage.


Edited by - Don Borchelt on 10/05/2008 19:11:06



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