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jerrygarciasbanjofan - Posted - 02/13/2008:  12:49:47


Howdy Folks.

Recently the age of my Gibson RB-250 has come into question. Looking at the serial number, I assumed it was built in 2001, BUT, the only Gibson serial number system I am familiar with, is the line of Electric Guitars. I was wondering if there was any diferance. And how you read a Gibson Banjo Serial number. I hope to be able to put a date on it...

Some photos of my banjo are located on my BHO homepage

Thanks!

Chris,

The VZ Valley Boys
The Official Tango_grass Myspace


Edited by - jerrygarciasbanjofan on 02/14/2008 13:44:57

jerrygarciasbanjofan - Posted - 02/13/2008:  13:07:28


http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Support...umberSearch/

Ok, so there it shows what the Numbering system has been for the last 20 years. And funny enough, I cannot get my 250 to match that 200 system...interesting...

Chris,

The VZ Valley Boys
The Official Tango_grass Myspace


Edited by - jerrygarciasbanjofan on 02/13/2008 13:08:05

KLandreth - Posted - 02/13/2008:  13:12:35


Try this website if it is a bowtie model...

http://www.banjophiles.com/SerNumDa...aGibsons.htm


Edited by - KLandreth on 02/13/2008 13:14:29

jerrygarciasbanjofan - Posted - 02/13/2008:  13:20:24


Thanks for the link. My number starts with 00. So I could not find in there. But I do not exactly know, what makes it a Bowtie?

Chris,

The VZ Valley Boys
The Official Tango_grass Myspace

kallekockum - Posted - 02/13/2008:  13:27:31


Judging by the pics on your homepagee, yours isn't a Bowtie.

Kalle Kockum, Sweden
I wish I was as cool as Levon Helm...

southerndrifter - Posted - 02/13/2008:  13:31:05


quote:
Originally posted by jerrygarciasbanjofan

Thanks for the link. My number starts with 00. So I could not find in there. But I do not exactly know, what makes it a Bowtie?

Chris,

The VZ Valley Boys
The Official Tango_grass Myspace




Chris, the first two digits indicates what year the banjo was built (00 means 2000), the next two digits indicates the month it was built (02 would mean Feb.), then there should be a dash and another number following the dash. This number could be a single, double or triple digit number. This number indicates which banjo in that batch, that particular model is. For example, if the banjo was an RB-250 and there was a 10 after the dash, that would mean that that particular banjo was the 10th RB-250 built. SO, an RB-250 with the serial number, 0002-10, would be a 2000 year model, built in February and it was the 10th one built that year. Hope this helps!

Oh yeah, and sometimes the model number is stamped in front of the other numbers. For instance, 250-0002-10.

Lynwood Lunsford


"Alright

jerrygarciasbanjofan - Posted - 02/13/2008:  13:39:07


00201663

That is my number. Its on the back of the headstock.

Thanks Lynwood, good explanation, I appreciate it.

Chris,

The VZ Valley Boys
The Official Tango_grass Myspace

jerrygarciasbanjofan - Posted - 02/13/2008:  13:42:56


New update

I just took off the resonator, and looked at the label. No date, or numbers, but it says, 'Kalamazoo, Mich'. I thought nowadays the Banjos are built in Nashville...hmm.

Chris,

The VZ Valley Boys
The Official Tango_grass Myspace

kallekockum - Posted - 02/13/2008:  13:49:19


Chris, is the flange on your banjo a 2 piece or 1 piece? And is the rim black? If the flange is a 2-pc, the rim black and the neck a 3-pc (which it appears to be, I may be wrong though), your 250 is most likely from the '70s.

Kalle Kockum, Sweden
I wish I was as cool as Levon Helm...

jerrygarciasbanjofan - Posted - 02/13/2008:  14:01:45


I've been told its a 2 piece Flange. Black rim. I do not know about the neck. Let me take some pics...

Chris,

The VZ Valley Boys
The Official Tango_grass Myspace

kallekockum - Posted - 02/13/2008:  14:10:52


Looks just like my old 250, made in the '70s. Yours has got less food on it though.

Kalle Kockum, Sweden
I wish I was as cool as Levon Helm...


Edited by - kallekockum on 02/13/2008 14:11:37

jerrygarciasbanjofan - Posted - 02/13/2008:  14:12:45


quote:
Originally posted by kallekockum

Looks just like my old 250, made in the '70s. Yours has got less food on it though.

Kalle Kockum, Sweden
I wish I was as cool as Levon Helm...



I;m a clean Banjo player.

Ok, so 70's. Again the number is 00201663. If that maybe puts a year on it...

Chris,

The VZ Valley Boys
The Official Tango_grass Myspace

kallekockum - Posted - 02/13/2008:  14:15:01


The serial numbers Gibson used during the '70s are confusing to say the least...so it may be difficult to determine the year of production.

Kalle Kockum, Sweden
I wish I was as cool as Levon Helm...

jerrygarciasbanjofan - Posted - 02/13/2008:  14:16:39


Ok, thats good to know. But is there some kind of system? Thanks.

Chris,

The VZ Valley Boys
The Official Tango_grass Myspace

kallekockum - Posted - 02/13/2008:  14:19:56


quote:
Originally posted by jerrygarciasbanjofan

But is there some kind of system?


If there is, I can't see it. But I'm no expert. Perhaps somebody with a Ph.D. in Gibsoniana will chip in.

Kalle Kockum, Sweden
I wish I was as cool as Levon Helm...

jerrygarciasbanjofan - Posted - 02/13/2008:  14:22:29


Ok well, your help has been much appreciated. Thanks Kalle.

And thanks to those you who chipped in. If anybody has anymore info, I'd love to hear it...

Chris,

The VZ Valley Boys
The Official Tango_grass Myspace

southerndrifter - Posted - 02/13/2008:  15:29:45


If it has "Made in USA" stamped underneath the serial number, it was made in 1970 or later. If not, it was made prior to 1970, but not any earlier than 1968. The shape of the headstock was changed in 1968 from the "flyswatter" style (seen on most of the "bowtie" models) to the "fiddle style", which Gibson used throughout the 70's and '80's. It is an RB-250 model and I think it does have the tube & plate flange.

Lynwood Lunsford


"Alright

jerrygarciasbanjofan - Posted - 02/13/2008:  16:38:26


Well, 'Made In USA' is stamped above the serial number. It reads:

RB-250
MADE IN U.S.A.
00201663


And it's a Fiddle style headstock. So we are looking at early 70's?

Chris,

The VZ Valley Boys
The Official Tango_grass Myspace


Edited by - jerrygarciasbanjofan on 02/13/2008 18:36:27

handy13 - Posted - 04/17/2008:  15:26:55


For reference...

You say your serial number is 00201663.

I bought my rb-250 new from Venemon music in Virginia in 1976.

My serial number is 00201742.

Unless they used a really schizophrenic numbering scheme,
I would say your banjo is 1976 or slightly older?

Actually, the following site (mentioned previously by some one
on this list) confirms that your banjo is indeed a 1976 model:
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Support...umberSearch/
The site clearly says:
"From 1975-1977 the number is typically found on a decal on
the back of the headstock. This should be an 8 digit number
that can be dated by the 1st and 2nd digits as follows:

99 = 1975
00= 1976
06 = 1977"

It then goes on to describe the rather more complex scheme introduced
in 1978, which is irrelevant to your serial number.

I have another with identical neck that has serial number
511316. Also has the "Made in USA." I bought it at a festival
from a dealer in a booth. That number is puzzling me though...
Any ideas about that number?

Thanks,

Howard

Howard in Arizona
http://www.astroshow.com
http://www.azcendant.com


Edited by - handy13 on 04/17/2008 16:16:04

jerrygarciasbanjofan - Posted - 04/17/2008:  18:42:26


Thanks for the info Howard! I appreciate it.

Chris,

The VZ Valley Boys
----
The Official Tango_grass Myspace



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